He pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. Revelation 12:13-14.

In my last post I focused entirely on Revelation 12:11 as I asked the question, how and why did “they” overcome? The short answer is, because of the blood of the Lamb. That Lamb is Jesus, and no, He is not eternally pouring out His blood for us – besides, that would be disgusting and feed into the idea that Christ’s sacrifice was not enough; it was.

As we sat at the last of the summer concerts in the park, the singer, who had sounded fine to me, spoke out saying, “let me come clean. Two days ago I did not have a voice, at all.” Well, you would never have known it and he finished the night strong. Why tell you this? Because we can easily put our trust in a human, giving them a chance to pull through for us, and yet, struggle with putting our faith in God, His Word, and the sacrifice of His son.

Allow me to come clean.

I have done just that, struggling at times with my faith. I must tell you though, that any struggle I had believing came to an end around 2008 when I began to purposefully study the gospels with the express purpose of finding out who God is and what is His character.

I believed in God and His Son, but why did I struggle with the frequent moments of doubt. The main question was, is this “hope” that scripture speaks of, for real? In the gospels, I found the Jesus Christ I never knew; and, in Him, I saw the Father.

Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
(Hebrews 1:2-3 KJV)

Jesus, for the joy set before Him, voluntarily sacrificed His life, rose from the dead, intentionally poured out His blood as a high priest, and offered up Himself as the final sacrificial lamb for our sins.

Therefore my heart is glad and my glory rejoices; My flesh also will dwell securely. For You will not abandon my soul to Sheol; Nor will You allow Your Holy One to undergo decay. You will make known to me the path of life; In Your presence is fullness of joy; In Your right hand, there are pleasures forever. (Psalms 16:9-11 NASB)

He knew that the brutal torture and the pains of hell, would end back in the Father’s arms, and we would be His prize. He rescued all those who would accept His rescue.

He paid the bloody price for our redemption, can you accept that?

For us, it is really that simple.

Finally understanding the nature and character of God, I understood that the earth and the evil would be purged, sort of. I now had a hope that I could cling to; and yet, here we are, not only studying the Revelation but living it out before us, the scariest aspect of this destruction is that it would consume us all disregarding our hope.

Several people I pay attention to have done their homework and told us that God follows, with precision, the feasts that He laid out for the Jewish people, such as Passover. As these feasts have come up, (and no we gentile believers don’t really have a clue, unless you do your homework,) we have been told that these feasts are times within which we should watch for Jesus’ return for His bride. Sadly, I am still here, but I still have hope. A major anchor point that allows us to understand and advocate for prophecy, was Israel – the fig tree, and its rebirth as a nation, which happened in 1948. It is this generation that shall not pass away.

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On that note, we are still in Revelation chapter twelve, and it seems we are returning to our history lesson.

Revelation 12:12 Moffatt NT (12) Rejoice for this, O heavens and ye that dwell in them! But woe to earth and sea! The devil has descended to you in fierce anger, knowing that his time is short.”

Eugene Peterson put it that way.

  • So rejoice, O Heavens, and all who live there,”

Who is God talking to?

Assuming that this is a pre-creation scenario, then we are talking about the trinity and the remaining angels.

And another sign was seen in the heavens. And behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads! And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven and cast  them onto the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman being about to bear, so that when she bears he might devour her child. (Revelation 12:3-4 MKJV)

red dragon of revelation

We don’t really know what this looks like, but let’s assume this represents what scripture describes it as.

We know that the stars are angels.

And the fifth angel sounded. And I saw a star fall from the heaven to the earth, and it was given the key of the abyss. (Revelation 9:1 MKJV)

This “star” is a physical or spiritual being, we know this because it is given a key to hell. (Don’t foolishly assume that God would simply hand Satan the keys to hell; Satan deceived Eve to get them, while Adam, stood there doing nothing to stop Satan’s action, and therefore committed treason against God and handed the dominion of earth over to Satan.) Jesus said I beheld Satan fall like lightning to earth. (Luke 10:18). So, if I put together my evidence, then I can build a case proving that it was Satan that fell and he took a third of the angels with him.

Why in the world would they rejoice, because as we have witnessed, simply having Satan thrown to earth has done little more than cause the loss of generations of humans, endless wars, death, and a loss of peace?

The answer to this lies in a word, mystery, and God intentionally let the clues come out that day in the Garden, as He explained to Eve.

And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her seed; He shall bruise you on the head, And you shall bruise him on the heel.”
(Genesis 3:15 NASB)

Paul told us that the plan to restore all things has been a mystery since the beginning of time.

… according to the revelation of the mystery which has been kept secret for long ages past, (Romans 16:25NASB)

But it is NOT still a mystery and we can understand it through our relationship with Jesus Christ.

In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace which He lavished on us. In all wisdom and insight He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His kind intention which He purposed in Him.
(Ephesians 1:7-9 NASB)

  • But woe to earth and sea! The devil has descended to you in fierce anger, knowing that his time is short.”

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We understand that Satan was thrown to earth by God, but what we don’t see is the anger. Lacking scripture, all we have is an assumption, and that does not work. But we do have well-defined reasoning for Satan’s anger and scripture gives it to us.

One of those answers comes from the passage itself and Revelation 12:12 tells us that his time is limited. In trying to understand this lack of time, I am well aware that just since Christ’s resurrection Satan has had over two thousand years. I suppose in contrast to eternity 2000 years is just a drop in the bucket.

When the dragon realized that he had been thrown down to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. (Revelation 12:13 NLT)

  • When the dragon realized that he had been thrown down to the earth,”

Assuming that God lives among the stars, and God threw Satan to earth; that is a long, fast fall.

How do you not realize that you have been thrown to earth and that the party is over?

Maybe, it is not that far, or Satan is just that dense. Notice how the passage indicates that once he realized he was thrown down, where God’s plan, the mystery, would take place, he/Satan immediately began pursuing the woman who had given birth to the male child.

  • he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child.”

Does this include Eve?

I ask because Satan immediately takes out both Cain and Able. Every possibility since has been attacked, including Jesus.

The woman is Israel giving birth to the nation. Israel was a nation before it ever became a nation in 1948. So, Satan has been going after God’s people, trying to kill them, since the beginning of time; yes.

But she was given two wings like those of a great eagle so she could fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness. There she would be cared for and protected from the dragon for a time, times, and half a time. (Revelation 12:14 NLT)

This idea of God carrying His people on His wings was not new.

You have seen what I did to the Egyptians. You know how I carried you on eagles’ wings and brought you to myself(Exodus 19:4 NLT)

Revelation 12:14 tells us,

  • “ But she was given two wings like those of a great eagle so she could fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness.”

Dr. J. Vernon McGee states, “Into the wilderness, into her place.” Scripture does not say that the rock-hewn city of Petra will be that place. It could be, but we just simply do not know. This “wilderness” has been variously identified—Petra is not the only place. Some say that it is the wilderness of the peoples of the world; that is, that there will be another worldwide scattering of Israel. Since Christ said, “… flee into the mountains” (Mat_24:16), we believe it to be a literal wilderness, possibly that same one in which Israel spent forty years under Moses.”

A friend asked me about how I do Bible study. I have talked in the past about my disdain for commentaries, and one by Warren Wiersbe, who is renowned for his knowledge and wisdom. In my case, the group leader chose to use the Wiersbe commentary on Romans instead of focusing on the Bible. My feeling. and I get this to some degree from Pastor Tom Hughes of 411 church in San Jacinto, is that I no longer wish to lean upon commentaries. If I can’t figure it out from scripture, then I can resort to commentaries that I feel I can trust.

As you can see above, even Dr. McGee, attempted to direct our thinking to Israel running back into the world.

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I have a problem with that idea for this reason.

then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains. “Whoever is on the housetop must not go down to get the things out that are in his house. “Whoever is in the field must not turn back to get his cloak. “But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! “But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath.”
(Matthew 24:16-20 NASB)

When Jesus said these words, He said them to a Jewish audience that would never see this particular event, and the circumstances of what appears to be a catastrophic attack, are centered on Jerusalem. This doesn’t seem like a global event that would drive them back into the nations as we have for several years see a push (Aliyah) to come back to Israel and the Jews know that. The fact that He spoke specifically about Judea should be a tremendous clue.

The prophet Zechariah established the fact that Israel would be the focus of the attack.

“Behold, I am going to make Jerusalem a cup that causes reeling to all the peoples around; and when the siege is against Jerusalem, it will also be against Judah. “It will come about in that day that I will make Jerusalem a heavy stone for all the peoples; all who lift it will be severely injured. And all the nations of the earth will be gathered against it.” (Zechariah 12:2-3 NASB)

Just to say the focus is on Jerusalem is not enough. There was a time when “Israel” was a divided kingdom. Israel was the northern kingdom and Judea was the southern kingdom. Obviously, they are one nation, Israel, at this point. So the terminology is meant to promote the idea that the entirety of Israel will be under siege, and soon.

How many people in Israel escape?

One third of you will die by plague or be consumed by famine among you, one third will fall by the sword around you, and one third I will scatter to every wind, and I will unsheathe a sword behind them.” Ezekiel 5:12 NASB

Do the math. Only one-third survives and they do so by fleeing into the mountains.

If you were to say, but there a Jews everywhere and not all them come back to Israel, you would be correct; and this is where our presumptive statements, such as the Jews will flee to Petra, in Lebanon, get us into trouble. I realize that these assumptions have been made because 1.) it appeared to be the most logical place considering that scripture speaks of the dragon pouring out a flood, that God diverts, and Petra makes the most sense to some. But have you ever seen pictures of that place? Yes, it is amazing but it is not as expansive as people make it sound, and there is no plumbing if you catch my drift. And 2.) As of 2019, there were a little over 9 million people living in Israel. And you are expecting me to believe that 3 million people will jam themselves into that water-carved canyon for three and one-half years? Obviously and miraculously, some of God’s people will be saved, but it is NOT clear where.

Ezekiel chapter seven defines where and how these deaths will come.

‘The sword is outside and the plague and the famine are within. He who is in the field will die by the sword; famine and the plague will also consume those in the city.” (Ezekiel 7:15 NASB)

I want you to pay attention to the word plague. Covid falls under this category.

Considering that the Jews are a target of God’s wrath during the “tribulation years,” doesn’t it seem feasible that many of them died directly related to what is coming? Let me point out that George Soros is a European Jew that hates God.

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Just in case you don’t know, or you have forgotten, here is a bit of what God will bring:

  • The antichrist arrives and brings death with him. Revelation 6:2.

  • And another, a red horse. To take peace from the earth, and that men would slay one another; Revelation 6:4.

  • Behold an ashen horse. Authority was given to them to kill a fourth of the earth, Revelation 6:8.

  • With the sixth seal there was another deadly earthquake. Revelation 6:12.

We are still looking at Revelation 12:14.

  • “ But she was given two wings like those of a great eagle so she could fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness.”

Wings is the Greek word pterux and surprise, it means wings, as in bird wings.

Is there a practical way to understand this?

Some would yes, as their idea gives Israel the ability to jump on an airplane and fly someone where else.

Really, do you actually think that is going to happen, especially in this newly improved Covid world we live in where Israel itself has gone back on full lockdown?

No, there will be no escape from Israel, outside of God’s plan; that only leaves one other possibility, and that is that Jews, globally, will have to run in any safe direction they can find.

Why make an analogy to an eagle’s wings?

Because this is the language that God has used with Israel on previous occasions.

“You yourselves have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I bore you on eagles’ wings and brought you to Myself.” Exodus 19:4.

Having read about Israel’s escape from Egypt, on several occasions, I can remember no references to eagles’ wings, this leads me to believe that God used the phrase “I bore you on eagles’ wings” as an analogy to the magnificence of His actions.

Another reference to eagle wings is found in Deuteronomy.

Like an eagle teaching its young to fly, catching them safely on its spreading wings, the LORD kept Israel from falling.” Deuteronomy 32:11 GNB

So, when Israel has to run for their lives, God is letting us and them know that He will carry them safely. 

If the eagle’s wings are synonymous with the catching away of the church, will you get caught up to meet Him in the air? Those that are not caught up will have to prove their allegiance to Jesus Christ, almost without exception, through their death as a martyr.

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They did not love their life even when faced with death. Revelation 12:11.

Previously, we saw Satan cast out of heaven and thrown to the earth.

And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satanwho deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.
(Revelation 12:9 NASB)

Almost as though it is a response to Satan being thrown down, a declaration is made.

Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, “Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night. (Revelation 12:10 NASB)

The logical assumption would be that this declaration is made to and about Jesus Christ. We worked through the scriptures to assign some timing to such an event and it seems that His death and resurrection is a turning point, where God announces Christ’s Son-ship once again. Certainly, Jesus Christ was pronounced to be the Son in power, and, as we saw, He sat down to reign at that point.

“but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD,”
(Hebrews 10:12 NASB)

But our assumption about all the power going to Jesus may be incorrect.

Watch what happens next.

And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their testimony, and they did not love their life even when faced with death. (Revelation 12:11 NASB)

Suddenly we are redirected to what appears to be the martyred saints; if that is the case, wouldn’t this pertain to ALL saints, throughout all time?

Why ask such a question?

Because Revelation 12:11 says “they” and not a specific audience. If you have been reading through the Revelation with us, then you would know that John saw the martyred saints on two occasions, and both times there are referred to as saints.

Do we have other references to saints that are non-revelation-oriented?

Paul had numerous associating the body of Christ to saints. Romans 1:7; Romans 15:26; 1 Cor 1:2; 1 Cor 6:1; 1 Cor 14:33; Eph 1:1; and in Eph 3:8 where he said, “To me, the very least of all saints.” Since we are focused on the Revelation, it seems necessary to point out that references to saints, in John’s writing, are all referring to people who endure the time of wrath or died because of the word of their testimony.

I point all this out because the word “they” opens the door to others outside of the time of wrath. People have been martyred for their relationship to Jehovah since time began; and, if you don’t believe that look at Cain and Able.

Let’s ask the question before someone else does; does everyone that goes through the tribulation and hold the testimony of Jesus Christ, die?

There is, in my mind, no doubt that some will survive.

Isaiah 1:9 Unless the LORD of hosts Had left us a few survivors, We would be like Sodom, We would be like Gomorrah.

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This idea of survivors is important because it alerted the Jewish disciples that the potential of being completely wiped out was a possibility.

“Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect, those days will be cut short(Matthew 24:2NASB)

Isaiah 4:2 In that day the Branch of the LORD will be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth will be the pride and the adornment of the survivors of Israel.

Pay attention to the fact that there are not only survivors among the Jewish people, but among the nations as well. I point this out because there are teachers which say, no one but believers go into the millennial kingdom. Such ignorance is dismaying.

“For I know their works and their thoughts; the time is coming to gather all nations and tongues. And they shall come and see My glory. “I will set a sign among them and will send survivors from them to the nations: Tarshish, Put, Lud, Meshech, Tubal, and Javan, to the distant coastlands that have neither heard My fame nor seen My glory. And they will declare My glory among the nations. (Isaiah 66:18-19 NASB)

If Revelation 12:11 is NOT referring to specifically to tribulation saints, then the alternative would be those, who throughout all record-able time, have stood declaring that there is salvation in Jehovah.

What proof do we have of that?

Hebrews is a great start, for here we see that faith brought approval from God.

Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. For by it the men of old gained approval. (Hebrews 11:1-2 NASB)

Their numbers, we are told, was as the sands of the seashore, and yet.

All these died in faith, without receiving the promises, but having seen them and having welcomed them from a distance, and having confessed that they were strangers and exiles on the earth.
(Hebrews 11:13 NASB)

Although it is hard to understand how they knew it, they were looking forward to the same hope we have, a life with the Father in a world filled with peace. I would like to tell you that their lives here on earth all had happy endings, but they did not.

In speaking of Moses we learn that he chose to endure ill-treatment along with his people.

choosing rather to endure ill-treatment with the people of God than to enjoy the passing pleasures of sin, (Hebrews 11:25 NASB)

Some conquered kingdoms, shut the mouths of lions, quenched fire, put foreign armies to flight, while others were tortured, not accepting their release.

who by faith conquered kingdoms, performed acts of righteousness, obtained promises, shut the mouths of lions, quenched the power of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, from weakness were made strong, became mighty in war, put foreign armies to flight. Women received back their dead by resurrection; and others were tortured, not accepting their release, so that they might obtain a better resurrection;”
(Hebrews 11:33-35 NASB)

No, it does not always work out the way we had hoped while we are here on earth. Ah, but then there is Jesus, and all of His promises are true.

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And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their testimony, and they did not love their life even when faced with death.”
Revelation 12:11 NASB)

We have already addressed who this is most likely talking about, so we won’t go into that any further; and, we also touched on this idea of a testimony, but I want to dive into what a testimony looks like.

Religion tries to tell you that salvation and hence your testimony have to go through the “Roman Road.” That means that you would have been led down a scriptural path for the purpose of bringing you to salvation based primarily upon Paul’s letter to the church in Rome. This is a generalization of course, but the process and thinking is deeply inset.

Since I started this study, we have witnessed the fall of Afghanistan to the Taliban; and despite anything that our puppet president may have said, these people have declared that they will control Afghanistan under Sharia law. Depending upon how much free time they have, they torture people of any other sect of Islam or Christians, and frequently behead them. I have heard that the Taliban has been checking phones and shooting those who have Bible apps on their phones. There may be moments during this time of God’s wrath that is coming, in which you may not have the opportunity to say much before they kill you. If comes to the point where they are shouting at you, deny Christ and Worship Allah, you may only have a few seconds to shout out a NO!

The Greek word for testimony is marturia and it means evidence given judicially or generally.

Apply this word testimony to the person sitting next to the judge, trying to explain themselves against words spoken about them. If that was not dramatic enough, apply it to the people who are dragged out of their houses at gunpoint and told to worship Allah or we rape your wife in front of you. There is very little about this scenario that is clean or well organized. They don’t care about your Roman road speech, because as soon as you say no they are going to get busy, which will include shooting you.

Try to picture this.

The seven years of God’s wrath has come; almost immediately there will be a staggering increase in violence and death, all this comes with the arrival of the antichrist. The antichrist is the rider on the white horse.

I looked, and behold, a white horse, and he who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer. When He broke the second seal, I heard the second living creature saying, “Come.” And another, a red horse, went out; and to him who sat on it, it was granted to take peace from the earth, and that men would slay one another; and a great sword was given to him.”
(Revelation 6:2-4 NASB)

We cannot tell from scriptures how much time after the rapture of the church until there is a wholesale killing of Christ-followers. Funny that I should say it that way, seeing as the church has been caught away.

Why during this time of chaos, when allegedly there is no Christ followers to lead you, would you have anyone following after Christ?

Scripture tells us that the veil that covers people’s eyes will be lifted and all will be able to see the truth – this does not mean that all will respond to the truth, but those who choose to follow after Christ during this time of horror will not cease to shut their mouths about the Lord.

If you have read your bible then you know the parable of the ten virgins (Matthew 25.) We can assume that the virgins have lived in a manner that made them welcome at the banquet. (You might equate them to believers.) Five of them filled their lamps with oil and took extra oil, just in case. The others did not check the oil level in the lamps, nor did they bring extra and when it got dark their lamps went out quickly. When those unprepared virgins ran out of oil we see them rudely demanding that the others give to them their oil. That did not happen, and they now had to go out into the neighborhood, knocking on doors, as they hunted for more. When they returned it was too late. The announcement was made, the bridegroom had come, and those who were prepared followed him to the chamber, entered, and the bridegroom closed the door too late entries.

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Jesus is coming back for those who are looking for Him.

Galatians 5:5 NASB For we through the Spirit, by faith, are waiting for the hope of righteousness.

Assuming that these unprepared virgins were Christ-followers something is missing from the equation, like a good explanation for what the oil represents. I have wondered why faced with the absurdity of going through a dark neighborhood late at night, they did not just follow those who still had light.

The Apostle Paul, in writing to the church at Corinth that we were to be awaiting the coming Jesus Christ for His church.

1 Corinthians 1:7 NASB so that you are not lacking in any gift, awaiting eagerly the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ,

Everything was impacted by Adam’s actions and Paul reveals this in his letter to the church in Rome.

Romans 8:19 NASB For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God.

James, the half-brother of Jesus tells us to be patient as we wait.

James 5:7-8 NASB Therefore be patient, brethren, until the coming of the Lord. The farmer waits for the precious produce of the soil, being patient about it until it gets the early and late rains. (8) You too be patient; strengthen your hearts, for the coming of the Lord, is near.

One last aspect of Romans 12:11.

  • they did not love their life even when faced with death.”

    Having been thrown into the fiery furnace, that took the lives of the guards that threw them in, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego now walked back out of that same furnace. The Complete Jewish Bible tells us this.

    Daniel 3:28b. CJB …They defied the royal order to the point of being willing to give up their bodies, in order not to serve or worship any god but their own God.

    The book of Hebrews, in talking about the fathers of faith, says this.

    “All these died in faith, without receiving the promises, but having seen them and having welcomed them from a distance, and having confessed that they were strangers and exiles on the earth. (14) For those who say such things make it clear that they are seeking a country of their own.”
    Hebrews 11:13-14 NASB

    Everything within these two verses above cry out with wisdom and understanding.

    • All these died in faith,

    • without receiving the promises,”

    • They welcomed those same promises that we have, knowing that someday they will be a reality. Since they had no multi-translation bibles to help them understand, how did they know of these promises?

    • Confessed, and testified, that they were strangers and exiles on the earth. Why?

    • Because it was clear to them that they were seeking a country or “home” of their own.

      What does that mean to us?

      It means that we are just passing through as we head for our promised land, heaven. I despise the emphasis we make on having mansions in heaven. You know full well that many picture servants and house keepers polishing the fine things that make them feel important here on this broken earth. I have struggled with insecurities my entire life. Do you think I need to hide in some big palace, nursing those same anxiety-driven emotions? I long to be free.

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Keep this in mind as you ponder what this country promised us. God has told us that heaven is beyond our wildest imaginations. Having seen movies like Avatar, where the plants spin, emit music, and light up as you touch them, I could go on, but you should be getting the idea. My mind is reaching out there as I think about colorful nebula’s in ever-expanding galaxies, and I am NOT spending eternity sitting in a hot tub, although right now, with this body, that might feel really good.

Hebrews 11:16. NASB But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God; for He has prepared a city for them.

Some, it tells us, did NOT receive the promises.

What do we believe God has promised us?

In reality it is life with the Father in Heaven, to define that if I could, would require another six-page diatribe and we are not going to do that, aside from life with the Father in Heaven, it is your daily bread – sustenance. To prove my point Jesus asked

The Faith movement tries to tell you, you deserve a Rolls Royce. Dr. Fred Price got his, and then he died. I wonder who has it now. With the Father, your things won’t matter.

One last comment and I call it quits.

Pastor Jack Hibbs of Calvary Chapel Chino Hills, addressed the crowd recently, when he asked, how many of you long for normal to return?

You could hear a number of people say yes, I shouted out NO! The reason I said no is that I no longer wish to play, and I want Jesus to return for His bride, the church.

Pastor Jack said, if you answered yes, then perhaps your heart is still far too attached to the things of this earth, and all of them are in opposition to God’s plan and purposes.

If I was willing to simply go back to normal, in my mind, I feel as though I would be saying that I am comfortable with this lousy world, the bullies, and the poison the world has to offer. There is no peace here on earth, in fact, the level of violence is already on the increase. No, I am done here.

Do I sound like I am defeated?

First off, you need to know that I don’t care what you think. I am getting older and the things I used to laugh at, like arthritis are now my constant companions. The problem with arthritis is that it has tempered that warrior spirit in me. In other words, I am not so willing to swing the broad ax anymore, and that is a good thing but I am finally learning that I am not in control.

I am not asking for prayer, although prayer is always welcome, but it is a change of focus. My heart yearns for the return of Jesus and I long to hear His voice constantly. Remember what we saw in Hebrews how faith should be the center of focus.

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Revelation 12 verses 7 through 10. Satan thrown down to earth.

As I discussed in the previous post, covering Revelation 12 verses 1 through 7, Satan was thrown to earth and dragged one-third of the angels with him. Somewhere in that scene Satan sets himself in front of the woman about to give birth with the full intent of killing the male child that was to be born. We learned that the male child was the nation Israel.

For no extra charge I will throw this in. In Genesis 3 we see this.

Genesis 3:15 NLT And I will cause hostility between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring. He will strike your head, and you will strike his heel.”

Many translations use the word seed instead of offspring. We tend to make the assumption that the offspring or seed are the relatives/extended family, but what if it is the mystery of God being played out in what would eventually the salvation of the world through Jesus Christ?

Although, Christ was born long before Israel became a nation, every descendant of Adam and Eve became targets; this is evidenced almost immediately by Satan taking out both Cain and righteous Abel. So, when we read Revelation 12, we are having history played out before us through word pictures, even though much of this history is only minutes away as we read this.

One of biggest struggles we “Christians” have is not understanding that Satan, though stripped of everything except his ability to deceive, IS STILL free to roam, not only that, but one-third of an uncountable number of angels, seems to allow him the illusion of being omnipresent, just as God is. We will soon see that Satan’s days are numbered.

This next section is entitled:

Satan Thrown Down to Earth

Revelation 12:7-9 NASB And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. The dragon and his angels waged war, (8) and they were not strong enough, and there was no longer a place found for them in heaven. (9) And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

I used to be involved in the faith movement and I listened intently, for a time, to Kenneth Copeland. One day, Kenneth, in describing Jesus’ comment about Satan falling like lightning, talked as if God threw him like a dart to earth. We actually have scripture that defends that possibility.

Revelation 9:1 TLV Then the fifth angel trumpeted, and I saw a star that had fallen from heaven to earth. The key to the bottomless pit was given to him.

Some, in an attempt to take the bible literally, will say this was a physical star that struck the earth. The probability of that taking place, merely because of the global devastation that would have taken place, eliminates an actual star strike.

Now, what if God actually threw Satan to earth like a dart? Could the impact of a fallen angel create an impact crater, much like we see in the Yucatan Peninsula?


When did the events of Revelation 12:7-9 take place?

While the Word of God does not give us an explicit answer, there is evidence that demands a verdict. Isaiah tells us this.

Isaiah 45:18 NLT For the LORD is God, and he created the heavens and earth and put everything in place. He made the world to be lived in, not to be a place of empty chaos. “I am the LORD,” he says, “and there is no other.

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While the NLT is very readable the depth of what happened here gets lost in its choice of words. The NASB gives me words with their Strong’s numbers. Let me show you.

wasteH8414 placeH8414, but formedH3335 it to be R4inhabitedH3427

The phrase “to be lived in, not to be a place of empty chaos” is lacking. “To be lived in” leaves the door open to varying forms of creation, one of which speaks of a perpetual creation that could eventually be lived in. While that is possible, it is not the focus to the study, and that is a restoration of power to Jesus Christ.

A different translation can demonstrate what I am saying.

Isaiah 45:18 NASB For thus says the LORD, who created the heavens (He is the God who formed the earth and made it, He established it and did not create it a waste place, but formed it to be inhabited), “I am the LORD, and there is none else.

Created is the Hebrew word bara. It means to shape and create.

Formed is the Hebrew word yâtsar and conveys the idea of squeezing into shape.

Established is the Hebrew word kûn and indicates the action of setting in place, to prepare.

Waste place is the Hebrew word tôhû used twice. Using a word twice is used for emphasis. The word tôhû means a desolation (of surface), figuratively a worthless thing, emptiness, chaos, confusion and formless. (The idea of waste comes across more like college students trashing an Air B&B rental. To say the earth was a desolation gives the impression that is was utterly destroyed, and became a worthless thing.)

Inhabited is the Hebrew word yâshab and means to sit down specifically as judge; by implication to dwell, and to remain quietly. (This speaks to the position that Adam held and the environment in which he was to live.)

If, as you can see above, that the earth suffered some form of violence that changed it, what happened?
Obviously, something other than God’s intent happened because, as you see in verses 10-12, the earth was originally good.

Genesis 1:10-12 NASB God called the dry land earth, and the gathering of the waters He called seas; and God saw that it was good. (11) Then God said, “Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees on the earth bearing fruit after their kind with seed in them”; and it was so. (12) The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit with seed in them, after their kind; and God saw that it was good.

I contend that there is a gap between verses one and two, and that this is where Satan was thrown to earth; and that God, then had to make it good once again.

Genesis 1:1-2 NASB In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. (2) The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.

The words formless and void is tôhû and bôhû.

tôhû means to lie waste; a desolation (of surface), that is, desert; figuratively a worthless thing; adverbially in vain

bôhû meaning to be empty); a vacuity, that is, (superficially) an undistinguishable ruin.

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Moving on with the study.

Revelation 12:10 NASB Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, “Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night.

If this distribution of power and authority happened before Adam’s entrance into the earth, then why have we been dealing with Satan’s accusations unnecessarily?

I ask the question above, because if Adam had this same authority and power (Jesus, in 1 Cor 15:45 is referred to as the last Adam, and in Romans 5:14 Adam is called a type of him who was to come,) why would he stand silent and allow Satan to grab control of the earth?

I have on several occasions talked about how and why Satan had a course of action to deceive Eve. To understand this you have to establish it in your mind who was the first human placed here on earth. The answer is Adam. The instructions about “the tree” were only spoken to Adam, NOT Eve merely because she was not physically created as yet. So, how did Eve come to understand the only restriction (law) that the two of them were subject to? Adam had to tell her. Do you think Adam merely cut some instructional corners, and said, because I said so! No, he told her word for word what God said. Now, fast forward to Satan saying, “did God really say that?” In this conversation Satan challenged not only Adam’s but God’s character, authority, wisdom, judgment, and governance. If you can understand this, then you can understand that Adam had been placed as the magistrate of this earth and that it was his responsibility to deal with what was happening, there before his eyes. We are told, that Eve was deceived but Adam was not; he merely stood there motionless.

So there are two things going on here, much of which is not so obvious; power and authority over the earth had somehow been stripped away, and, because of the actions of Jesus (this would include the fact that He was sinless, His willingness to obey the Father’s will, and all that death on the cross entailed,) all would be restored.

If I take the placement of Revelation 12:10’s statement in a chronological order, then it becomes clear that God has poured out His wrath and it is time to end this lawlessness on earth.

What exactly does Revelation 12:10 say?

Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come,”

  • Now the salvation,”Salvation is the Greek word sōtēria and means rescue or safety (physically or morally): – deliver, health, salvation, save, saving, and preservation.When most read the Revelation we see a point at which the death and fire bombing – all of which falls under the category of God’s wrath, comes to a dramatic end; peace finally comes, and, whether you like it or not, Christ reigns supreme.
  • One of the first instances of Jesus saying something like this comes from Matthew 28; here Mary Magdalene and the other Mary had come to the tomb. Finding it open and Jesus gone, an angel appeared and explained that Jesus was not here, and that they should go quickly and tell the disciples. In Matthew 28 we are NOT told where Jesus met them, but He did, and this is when He said, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.”
  • Now is the Greek word arti and means just now, this hour or day. (So there is a relative immediacy, but it’s associated with a context .) Italics mine.

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That word sōtēria, from which we get rescue and preservation, although comparable to salvation, can mean a multitude of things depending upon your circumstances – one of which is health.

Is rescue and preservation what Jesus had in mind when He spoke these words in Mat 28:18b, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth” ?

In Matthew 28, Jesus speaks about authority.

The Greek word for authority is exousia. a word that means power, ability, privilege, capacity, freedom, mastery. Those defining words convey the idea of salvation, which we saw when we looked at sōtēria. Jesus had, not only the power, but the power was NOW in them who followed Him through their union with Him.

Does this apply to us? Without a doubt.

  • and the power”
  • and the kingdom of our God”
  • and the authority of His Christ have come”
  • Authority here is ginomai and means to come into existence; to be created, exist by creation, to be born, produced, grow.
  • Kingdom is the Greek word basileia, it means royalty, that is, (abstractly) rule, or (concretely) a realm (literally or figuratively): – kingdom, + reign.
  • Power is the Greek word dunamis. Dunamis is a word connected to the baptism of the Holy Spirit. The word carries the meanings of force (literally or figuratively); specifically miraculous power (usually by implication a miracle itself): – ability, abundance, meaning, might.

What changed that Christ would suddenly have power again?

The ability to understand what changed lies in the context. If I start my context search at Revelation 12:1 I see a synopsis of Satan’s fall to earth. This fall does not mean a full lockup but an expulsion. The final judgment, where Satan comes to an end, only comes at the time that encompasses the great white throne; all the while, the previous thousand years, Satan had been locked up and unable to deceive the population. It should be obvious that Jesus has reigned in unquestioned power during the thousand years, and it certainly does not end there.

At this point in time the earth has experienced the trumpet judgments, but not the bowl judgments.

Revelation 11:15 NASB Then the seventh angel sounded; and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever.”

And yet, only two verses later we have this assertion.

Revelation 11:17 NASB saying, “We give You thanks, O Lord God, the Almighty, who are and who were, because You have taken Your great power and have begun to reign.

Chronologically, it makes no sense that there would be such a huge transition from He will to You have taken, unless there has been a monumental changed; that change came through the cross.

Colossians 2:13-14 NASB (13) When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, (14) having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

Colossians 2:13-14 tells us that

  • He made us alive with Him.

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  • He has forgiven all our transgressions.
  • He canceled the debts again us.
  • And He took those debts out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

The Father, once again, called Him Son.

Romans 1:4 NASB who was declared the Son of God with power by the resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit of holiness, Jesus Christ our Lord,

This originates in the Psalms.

Psalms 2:6-8 NASB “But as for Me, I have installed My King Upon Zion, My holy mountain.” (7) “I will surely tell of the decree of the LORD: He said to Me, ‘You are My Son, Today I have begotten You. (8) ‘Ask of Me, and I will surely give the nations as Your inheritance, And the very ends of the earth as Your possession.

Psalm 89 tells us that God shall make Him My firstborn and the highest of the kings of the earth.

Psalms 89:27 NASB “I also shall make him My firstborn, The highest of the kings of the earth.

If God had already made Him His firstborn, then why this?

Philippians 2:6-9 NASB “who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, (7) but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. (8) Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. (9) For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,”

Jesus, for the joy set before him, stripped Himself of equality with the Father; all that was restored because of His death and resurrection.

Hebrews 5:5 NASB So also Christ did not glorify Himself so as to become a high priest, but He who said to Him, “YOU ARE MY SON, TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU”;

So, once again, Christ has become the begotten son.

When Jesus spoke those words that we saw in Matthew 28, He was already risen from the dead, having accomplished every aspect of our salvation, including pouring out His blood on the tabernacle in heaven.

Hebrews 9:21 NASB And in the same way he sprinkled both the tabernacle and all the vessels of the ministry with the blood (His blood.) Italics mine.

We are told that at His ascension into the heavens, He sat down next to the Father while He waits for His enemies to become His footstool.

Hebrews 10:12-13 NASB but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD, (13) waiting from that time onward UNTIL HIS ENEMIES BE MADE A FOOTSTOOL FOR HIS FEET.

By understanding the Revelation we see those enemies become His footstool. The power has been His for a long time, He just needed the right set of circumstances to bring closure, put away the deceivers, and reward those who follow Him.

He could not force our salvation, even though He paid for it, as it is entirely upon our shoulders to accept our salvation. We have to voluntarily give our lives to Jesus, the one who bore our sins.

Ask yourself a question.

Beyond the thousand years, when there are NO more people merely living for themselves, why would Jesus have to reign over the followers of Christ?

He wouldn’t, and the reason is that all those on the earth, from the great white throne forward would be dedicated to God and living by a moral standard – God’s, by choice – not the choices an enslaved person is limited to, but one where we are invested in Him through that same blood.

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Revelation 12: 1-6. A great sign appeared in heaven.

My Bible entitles Revelation 12 “The Woman and the Dragon.”

If I am trying to discern what is being said, and I am, then my first thoughts jump out of the Revelation to Genesis three, because that is where this battle began. Just a heads up, we will get there.

Revelation 12:1-2 NASB A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars; (2) and she was with child; and she *cried out, being in labor and in pain to give birth.

  • A great sign appeared in heaven.

    Great is the Greek word mégas and means something in the sky that was particularly large. What are the possibilities?

    Astronomical alignments of stars could be an answer and we just recently had one where the SunSeptember 23_2017 aligned itself in Virgo to recreate what Revelation 12 describes. I borrowed the picture from someone attempting to promote a particular date of Jesus’ return. While I am sure that he is coming soon, this brother in Christ missed it. Another would have been the sign that the shepherds followed to find the baby Jesus, and then there was the alignment of stars that led the Magi to the child Jesus when he was about two years old.

    So, as you can see, we, without too much trouble, can easily come up with at least three signs.

    There is nothing to say that this alignment of stars did not also take place several thousand years ago for the benefit of Adam, and then others.

  • a woman … and she was with child; and she *cried out, being in labor and in pain to give birth.”

    Was this Mary? Nobut it is interesting. We are not given a time period for this escape to Egypt and I think this is one of the biggest issues, but there are others.

    There is no doubt in my mind that this sign is speaking of Israel and the birth of the nation itself.

    A portion of Dr. J. Vernon McGee’s commentary states “Travailing in birth” is a figure associated with Israel: “Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child. Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children” (Isa_66:7-8)Israel will go through the Great Tribulation after Christ was born in Bethlehem—”before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child,” meaning Christ. Therefore, we identify the woman as the nation Israel. No one woman who has ever lived, including the virgin Mary fits into this. It is the nation Israel and certainly not the church of all ages”

    Note how the reference above says, before she travailed she brought forth. You have to know that the process of birthing a nation came with pain and discomfort. Many, not being careful about their reading, have stated that the travail had everything to do with the birthing of the nation; and yet, the travail, which will be greater, is yet to come.

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In Matthew 24:3b we see the disciples asking Jesus, “Tell us, when shall these things be? And what shall be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the world?” Jesus had told them the temple would be destroyed. Considering the size of the stones that seemed impossible; so the question is in two parts. The second part, the part that is now so vitally important to the believers is, what will be the sign of your coming (as the warring Messiah,) and (when) will the end of the world come?

I find that even when I write, people will contend with me; they will try to dispute things like, the church will not be raptured before God’s wrath comes, while others do not believe that God will pour out His wrath at all. Because of these arrogant attitudes, I feel it is necessary to give evidence in the form of scripture. Scripture, however, is the thing that tends to make these appear longer and unreadable. So, in order to not lose you, I highlight portions of the longer passages so that you can go straight to the point. For those who appreciate context, you get it all. Perhaps it would help you to know that I have struggled with learning disabilities my entire life, and it is because of this that I write in the style that I do. I can track well with the style I use and it allows me to move quickly through the study while retaining information.

Revelation 12:3-4 MKJV And another sign was seen in the heavens. And behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads! (4) And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and cast them onto the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman being about to bear so that when she bears he might devour her child.

  • And another sign was seen in the heavens. And behold a great red dragon,”

    Is there a sign of a dragon among the stars? Yes.

    From Wikipedia we get this, “Draco is a constellation in the far northern sky. Its name is Latin for dragon. It was one of the 48 constellations listed by the 2nd century astronomer Ptolemy, and remains one of the 88 modern constellations today. The north pole of the ecliptic is in Draco.

    There is nothing about the constellation which makes you think about the color red, so the color is merely an eye-catching descriptive; and, if you think about it, it worked because the majority of movies and television portrayals of Satan as the dragon are red and fearsome. The reality, which the entire world will someday see, is that Satan was beautiful, and probably not made for warfare as a majority of the angels are.

    My Dake’s bible states that Satan is referenced as the dragon 13 times. Every one of those occurs from Revelation 12 on. If you read my blogs on Revelation then you know that I have said that John wrote things that were meant to be understood. Why should the analogy of a dragon be any different?

    If we work off the assumption that John’s readers would have been primarily Jewish and would have memorized the Law and the prophets what would they relate this to?

    • King David spoke of trampling the dragon. Psalms 91:13

    • Isaiah prophesied using most of the symbolism that we see in Revelation. Isa 27:1

    • The prophet Jeremiah referred to a dragon swallowing him up. Jer 51:34

    • Ezekiel the prophet spoke of a dragon that lies in the rivers. Eze 29:3

      Rev 12:7-17, and Rev 13:2 give more detail about the dragon aspect.

  • having seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads!”

    We have to jump ahead to Revelation 13:1 to gain some understanding.

    Revelation 13:1 NLT Then I saw a beast rising up out of the sea. It had seven heads and ten horns, with ten crowns on its horns. And written on each head were names that blasphemed God.

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This is the fourth beast that Daniel saw.

Daniel 7:7 NLT Then in my vision that night, I saw a fourth beast—terrifying, dreadful, and very strong. It devoured and crushed its victims with huge iron teeth and trampled their remains beneath its feet. It was different from any of the other beasts and it had ten horns.

Out of these ten come the antichrist and the false prophet.

Daniel 7:8 NLT As I was looking at the horns, suddenly another small horn appeared among them. Three of the first horns were torn out by the roots to make room for it. This little horn had eyes like human eyes and a mouth that was boasting arrogantly.

Daniel 7:11 NLT I continued to watch because I could hear the little horn’s boastful speech. I kept watching until the fourth beast was killed and its body was destroyed by fire.

Daniel 7:20 NLT I also asked about the ten horns on the fourth beast’s head and the little horn that came up afterward and destroyed three of the other horns. This horn had seemed greater than the others, and it had human eyes and a mouth that was boasting arrogantly.

Daniel got his answer.

Then he (the angel that had been talking,) said to me, “This fourth beast is the fourth world power that will rule the earth. It will be different from all the others. It will devour the whole world, trampling and crushing everything in its path (this is the iron portion of this statue.) Its ten horns are ten kings who will rule that empire. Then another king will arise, different from the other ten, who will subdue three of them.

He (this other king that arises) will defy the Most High and oppress the holy people of the Most High. He will try to change their sacred festivals and laws, and they will be placed under his control for a time, times, and half a time (everything about this description speaks of Islam.) “But then the court will pass judgment, and all his power will be taken away and completely destroyed. Then the sovereignty, power, and greatness of all the kingdoms under heaven will be given to the holy people of the Most High. His kingdom will last forever, and all rulers will serve and obey him.” (Daniel 7:23-27 NLT) Italics are my mine.

Alright, let’s stop right here.

When Daniel saw Nebuchadnezzar’s statue in the vision, only three empires or world powers were defined.

World power” is a relative term because John’s Jewish audience only concerned themselves with the Middle-Eastern world, as this is the location of God’s promised land to Abraham. It seems impossible for us Gentile believers to think this way because our news gives us global information, but the reality is that everything points back to Israel.

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Most attribute the fourth and final empire to a revived Roman empire. An obvious element is that the4Beast Comparative Chart Roman empire is NOT listed. What we do know is that after the death of Alexander four generals struggled for rulership. The two remaining rulers were the Ptolemaic empire in the South (Egypt and the northern African nations.) And the Seleucid empire in the North; and, I believe we see that in the legs of iron. Note that the iron continues into the feet with the ten toes mixed with clay. These ten toes correspond with Revelation 12:3.

Then I witnessed in heaven another significant event. I saw a large red dragon with seven heads and ten horns, with seven crowns on his heads. (NLT)

The ten toes also correspond with,

Daniel 7:7 NLT Then in my vision that night, I saw a fourth beast—terrifying, dreadful, and very strong. It devoured and crushed its victims with huge iron teeth and trampled their remains beneath its feet. It was different from any of the other beasts, and it had ten horns.

A fascinating piece of information arises when you look up the word mixed. It is the Hebrew word ‛ărab and means a commingling.

Who or what is being commingled?

First off the Seleucid empire commingled with the nations they conquered, just like the Jews did. This is evidenced in the statement about Antiochus, which you will see below; this is the same Antiochus that set up an abomination in the temple. Secondly, the Roman troops were commingled, for they took conscript troops from every nation they conquered. According to Josephus and Tacitus, it was the Assyrian troops, marching under the Roman flag, that destroyed the temple in 70a.d..

English Standard Version Maps ©2001 Crossway Bibles, a publishing ministry of Good News Publishers. All rights reserved. A commentary from the Crossway Bible, says, “By the second century b.c., the Seleucid Empire was losing its grip on much of its territory and the Roman Empire was rapidly expanding throughout the Mediterranean world. In an attempt to unite his empire and shore up his defenses against these pressures Antiochus IV Epiphanies imposed a strict policy of Hellenization over his domain, which now included the land of Israel.

  •  his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and cast them onto the earth,”

    Satan, the red dragon threw a third part of the stars down to the earth. Scripture tells us that the angels are all referred to as stars, if this was not the case, and a single star was thrown down and struck the earth, there would be no more earth. Isaiah 14 speaks specifically about Lucifer / Satan and how he was thrown from heaven.

    Isaiah 14:12 NASB “How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the earth, You who have weakened the nations!

    Pay attention to the phrase, O star of the morning.

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When the Spirit of God speaks to Job about the foundations of the earth, someone or something is being referred to when he says,

Job 38:6-7 NASB “On what were its bases sunk? Or who laid its cornerstone, (7) When the morning stars sang together And all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Perhaps that does not convince you, how about this declaration.

Job 1:6-7 NASB Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them. (7) The LORD said to Satan, “From where do you come?” Then Satan answered the LORD and said, “From roaming about on the earth and walking around on it.”

You really have to think about the logic of this situation, especially if God is saying it, and he is. Satan was either a son, or he is simply too brash for words. And, you do not see God wasting any critical words on him, therefore, Satan must have been among them at some point.

The terminology “ his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and cast them onto the earth,” is not only evidence that many followed him, but is one the prime pieces of evidence as to the number of angels that followed in his deceit. When we get to Daniel chapter 8 it certainly seems that the conversation is circling around the antichrist or the false prophet, and yet, it tells a similar story to what we have just seen in Revelation 12:4.

Daniel 8:10 NASB It grew up to the host of heaven and caused some of the host and some of the stars to fall to the earth, and it trampled them down.

  • And the dragon stood before the woman being about to bear, so that when she bears he might devour her child.”

    The dragon is Satan. Need proof?

    Revelation 20:1-3 NASB Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. (2) And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; (3) and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things, he must be released for a short time.

The woman is Israel, and we have already covered this. Since Israel became a nation every effort has been made to destroy that nation, and they have failed.

But what if was Mary?

Then what Herod did by killing all the male children in the region age two and under, as an act of murder motivated by the dragon, for the purpose of killing Jesus could be deemed as an attempt at devouring Mary’s child. Obviously, that failed. Satan tried once more and surely thought he had won when they put Jesus on that cross. His happy dance ended when Jesus rose from the grave, stripped the power of fear and death from Satan, and then ascended into heaven to be seated on the right hand of the Father.

To add to the confusion and the idea that this could be referring to Jesus, we have this,

Revelation 12:5 NASB And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up to God and to His throne.

In Genesis we are told that there will be a hatred between your seed and her seed (Genesis 3:15,) and we see certainly see that coming from Satan.

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  • “ who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron;”

    Once again, the general rule is that all scripture in the New Testament comes out of the Old Testament, and this is no different as this comes out of the Psalms.

    Psalms 2:7-9 NASB “I will surely tell of the decree of the LORD: He said to Me, ‘You are My Son, Today I have begotten You. (8) ‘Ask of Me, and I will surely give the nations as Your inheritance, And the very ends of the earth as Your possession. (9) ‘You shall break them with a rod of iron, You shall shatter them like earthenware.'”

    Pay attention to the context. Jesus gains this authority because He was, once again, declared to be God’s Son, most seem to understand that this was because of His obedience to the cross. Because of that, the Father has given Him the nations for an inheritance; and, as you can see, He judges them with a rod of iron.

    In the second chapter of the Revelation Jesus is talking to the church, almost as if He is pleading with them. He says this.

    Revelation 2:26-27 NASB (26) ‘He who overcomes, and he who keeps My deeds until the end, TO HIM I WILL GIVE AUTHORITY OVER THE NATIONS; (27) AND HE SHALL RULE THEM WITH A ROD OF IRON, AS THE VESSELS OF THE POTTER ARE BROKEN TO PIECES, as I also have received authority from My Father;

    This is what Jesus did; He overcame and He kept the law perfectly. The Jewish leadership might not think so, but His Father did, and that is what is important.

    Romans 5:19 NASB For as through the one man’s disobedience, the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.

    Hebrews 5:7 NIrV Jesus prayed while he lived on earth. He made his appeal with loud cries and tears. He prayed to the One who could save him from death. God heard him because he truly honored God.

    Hebrews 5:8 ERV Jesus was the Son of God, but he still suffered, and through his sufferings he learned to obey whatever God says.

    This theme then becomes a part of the message in Revelation 12.

  • And her child was taken up to God and to his throne.

    Acts 1:9 NASB And after He had said these things, He was lifted up while they were looking on, and a cloud received Him out of their sight.

    Not so many years later, as an act of reminding themselves, they made this confession of what they knew and believed.

    1 Timothy 3:16 NASB By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh, Was vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory.

As though we had it all figured out, the subject shifts back to Israel.

Revelation 12:6 NASB Then the woman fled into the wilderness where she *had a place prepared by God, so that there she would be nourished for one thousand two hundred and sixty days.

Once again we are looking at the woman as Israel. Mary did not flee into the wilderness, if so, when did that happen. We know that Joseph, at the direction of an angel fled to Egypt.

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Even if we could point to Egypt, we have nothing to associate Mary with the time frame, one thousand two hundred and sixty days., which has everything to do with the second half of the time of wrath, and a future event.

Most point to Petra, in Lebanon, as the wilderness. How that red rock canyon, so well known, could hide the survivors of Israel is beyond me.

A question.

Are you hidden in Christ?

It’s simple really, for when you accept Christ as your salvation you become hidden in Him, and you are a part of His body, the body of Christ.

Christ is coming very soon to retrieve those who belong to Him. This speaks of the church and the rapture. After the rapture of the church those who have rejected Christ are not necessarily lost, but now have to endure the hell on earth that is part of God’s wrath. I recommend you avoid that as you will have to prove your allegiance with your life.

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Their power is in their mouth and tails. Revelation 11: 13-19.

At this point in chapter 11, Jesus returns to the WRATH, but remember, there will be no more delays; and yet, we have seen John measure the temple with an emphasis on leaving out the outer courtyard. I told you that this outer courtyard was the only place the women could go and it was the place where Jesus found all the vendors and money-changers and threw them out. It was also deemed the courtyard of the Gentiles, does that mean that when Israel gets attacked that the enemies will not try and get into the inner courtyards? I doubt it, but as I am writing this, it occurs to me that I was a Gentile once. Suddenly I am thankful that I could get close enough to receive His mercy and grace. So, maybe there is a brighter side to this outer courtyard.

And with that comment, we begin.

Revelation 11:14 NASB The second woe is past; behold, the third woe is coming quickly.

I have been doing this study on Revelation for several weeks now, with moderate breaks between sessions, and I will admit that? I have forgotten, at this point, what the other woes were. Let’s refresh my memory.

Revelation 8:13 shows us an angel with a loud voice saying, Woe, woe, woe, and he let us know that the remaining trumpet blasts will signal these coming woes. As far as woes go, Revelation 8:13 has to be what God considers the beginning.

If this is the beginning, what do we call everything that has happened from Revelation 6:1 up to this point?

In Revelation 9:1 the fifth angel sounds its trumpet. John tells us that he sees a star that had fallen to earth. If you recall, I mentioned that our sun is a star and a small one at that. Any star striking the earth should destroy it, so the practicality of an actual star falling to earth makes no sense, so there has to be another explanation, and there is. Isaiah 14 has quite the narrative about Satan’s demise, but the verse we want to pay attention to is verse 12.

Isaiah 14:12-13 NASB “How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the earth, You who have weakened the nations! (13) “But you said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God, And I will sit on the mount of assembly In the recesses of the north.

God calls Satan the star of the morning and references the other angelic beings as the stars of God.

The entirety of Revelation 9:1 to 9:11 is the first woe.

Within that woe we got Satan thrown to the earth. You are wise readers so you know this occurrence probably happened before God put Adam on this earth. I say that because the serpent was there, in the garden, waiting to deceive Eve; and, if you were not paying attention you might think that this all happens within the seven years of God’s wrath. The other significant thing that happens is these locusts with scorpion-like tails. Because of their stings, humans long for death for five months but it does not come.

The second woe does not come to an end, (that is an odd way to look at it,) until Revelation 11:14.

Since Revelation 9:11 what has been going on?

With the blowing of the sixth trumpet, four angels, that were bound in the Euphrates River, is released.

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We are told that these four angels kill one-third of humanity on the earth, but what Revelation 9:16 does not tell you, is that these an0gry angels are apparently high ranking demonic angels that command a Calvary of 200 million demonic beings.

Revelation 9:17 YLT And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and those sitting upon them, having breastplates of fire, and jacinth, and brimstone; and the heads of the horses are as heads of lions, and out of their mouths proceeds fire, and smoke, and brimstone;

This is not an army of humans, these are demonic hordes, and the horses with lion heads, breathing out fire, smoke, and brimstone should be a strong clue. Now pay attention to how they kill.

Revelation 9:18-19 YLT by these three were the third of men killed, from the fire, and from the smoke, and from the brimstone, that is proceeding out of their mouth, for their authorities are in their mouth, and in their tails, for their tails are like serpents, having heads, and with them they do injure;

We are aware that two-thirds of humanity continues to live; that is an undefinable number, because, since the catching away of the church the killing of people has been going on with vigor.

Revelation 6:4 NASB And another, a red horse went out; and to him who sat on it, it was granted to take peace from the earth, and that men would slay one another; and a great sword was given to him.

Only a few sentences later we have this.

Revelation 6:8 NASB I looked, and behold, an ashen horse; and he who sat on it had the name Death; and Hades was following with him. Authority was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by the wild beasts of the earth.

One might assume that by the time that Revelation 9:18 comes along over one-fourth of the earth has been killed by various means. If there are three-fourths left, then what happens in Revelation 9:18 is the death of one-third of that number.

Chapter ten is more informational, as it informs that,

  • It, in the opening verse shows us, Jesus in His splendor.

  • He tells us that there will be no more delays.

  • That the mystery of God is finished.

  • And that John, through his voice and writings, is to continue to preach this message.

Chapter eleven opens with the Apostle John measuring the temple that is to come, but not the outer courtyard, as this is given to the Gentiles to trample, and for a precise time period, forty-two months.

With Revelation 11:3 one might say there is a return to violence, as the two witnesses from God stand their ground in Jerusalem and slay anyone who tries to stop them. Read this on your own. (Revelation 11:3-14.) The two witnesses then, become a part of the woes, as they bring plagues, death, and stop the rain.

The third woe is coming quickly.

Revelation 11:14 NASB The second woe is past; behold, the third woe is coming quickly.

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For God to be able to say, the second woe is past, that would have to mean that the damage the two witnesses do is significant and global, and it is.

This is the next thing we hear.

Revelation 11:15 NASB Then the seventh angel sounded; and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever.

There is nothing ominous about verse 15, in fact, my heart rejoices when I hear “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever.” But it is obvious that something has to take place.

Keep in mind that the seventh announcement of these perilous events has always included the next thing to happen. Considering that we were told that there should be no more delays, that should mean there is only one thing left, the return of the warring Messiah, but no, those going through the time of wrath still have the bowl judgments to go.

The twenty-four elders are worshiping and saying, you have begun to reign.

Revelation 11:16-17 NASB (16) And the twenty-four elders, who sit on their thrones before God, fell on their faces and worshiped God, (17) saying, “We give You thanks, O Lord God, the Almighty, who are and who were, because You have taken Your great power and have begun to reign.

Again, you need to take a moment to think through what the spirit of the Lord just said.

  • We give You thanks, O Lord God, the Almighty, who are and who were,”

    Who are” is present tense, but while God does not change, was He something else at one point and another thing recently?

    Some would say yes, even though those speaking against God, fail to consider the cross and how that “recently” aspect has everything to do with the cross. On the cross, all debts were paid.

    Colossians 2:12-14 NASB (12) having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. (13) When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, (14) having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

    It has taken me years to grasp the enormity of that statement and I do not think I will fully understand it until I meet Him face to face and see the love in His eyes.

    So, ask yourself a question, have you ever perceived God as being gracious and merciful when you read about Him in the Old Testament?

    Well, surprise, He was because He had to operate under the law (a clue to understanding why God had to put Israel through this retraining process, when they came out of Egypt they were effectively Egyptians. One of the proofs of that came from Stephen as he stood before the council defending himself.

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He pointed out to them how “God’s” people brought the tent of Moloch out of Egypt, and, they brought their sex god Rephan along as well. No one disputed what Stephen said and they, under the direction of a man named Saul, stoned Him anyway,) there was little mercy could do to help you, you had to follow the commandments.

Many think that Christ did away with the law, however, Jesus answered that challenge when He said, I did NOT come to do away with the law, I came to fulfill the law.

Matthew 5:17-18 NASB “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. (18) “For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

So, we then, live under grace, but that does not prevent the law from speaking to our spirits, as the law is now written upon our hearts. We live and breathe the perfect law of liberty, and it does not advocate foul mouths and bad attitudes.

  • because You have taken Your great power and have begun to reign.”

    We have not seen the events, as we trek through the Revelation, that solidify this image in our heads, as yet, so how can they say this?

    It is only possible because we have bypassed some details and jumped forward in time. These events only happen when we get to Revelation 19:11 through Revelation 20:4, and I am being conservative about this. Read this portion as it defines the warring Messiah that I speak of so frequently. It also describes the reign of, not only Christ but the martyred saints who will reign with Him.

    Revelation 20:4a TLV Then I saw thrones, and people sat upon them—those to whom authority to judge was given. …

    Here, the people sitting on those thrones are defined as those who had been martyred for their testimony and because of the Word of God.

Within the Revelation, the first place we see Jesus taking His throne is Revelation 11.

Revelation 11:17b NASB because You have taken Your great power and have begun to reign.

The assumption is, that after coming to earth, with a sword in His mouth, slaughtering His enemies and throwing the antichrist, false prophet, and Satan into the abyss, that He is finally sitting on His throne. The problem is that we seem to forget that when He ascended into the heavens, He sat down on the right hand of the Father, never to relinquish that throne or authority again.

Ephesians tells us that God seated Him and God does NOT change His mind.

Ephesians 1:20a NASB which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places,

Hebrews conveys how He was done and sat down next to the Father.

Hebrews 1:3b NASB … and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

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Since we Gentiles were not taught to despise the New Covenant, we should have a grasp on these representations of Christ on the throne, reigning. Now, if we have a problem grasping this, the difficulty could come from the fact that Satan, though thrown out of heaven and formally stripped of his power, is still running around accusing the followers of Christ. Perhaps this will help you understand. Here in America, President William (Bill) Clinton was impeached, the problem for my understanding is that nothing seemed to change. You might have thought, good, now he will be gone, but he did not go anywhere. It kind of made me wonder what was really supposed to happen in an impeachment. But here is what Satan did In a sense Satan, impeached with a perpetual prison sentence awaiting him, deceived Eve. He did NOT deceive Adam, and therefore gained sole and rightful ownership of the earth. Here in the problem lies.

But what about the Jews?

Most will NOT accept any aspect of the New Testament, however, if you were to ask me I would tell you that this book we call a bible is a very Jewish book; and, there is little in the New Testament that is not originally a theme within the law and the prophets. If the Jews cannot now see Him on the throne, then a day is coming when, before their very eyes, He will take His seat once again, and He will do it in a dramatic fashion, right after He slaughters His enemies at the wedding supper of the Lamb.

Watch this interaction.

Revelation 19:7-9 NASB “Let us rejoice and be glad and give the glory to Him, for the marriage of the Lamb has come and His bride has made herself ready.” (8) It was given to her to clothe herself in fine linen, bright and clean; for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. (9) Then he *said to me, “Write, ‘Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.'” And he *said to me, “These are true words of God.”

In what seems like only moments later, we see this.

Revelation 19:11-15 NASB (11) And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sat on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness, He judges and wages war. (12) His eyes are a flame of fire, and on His head are many diadems, and He has a name written on Him which no one knows except Himself. (13) He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. (14) And the armies which are in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, were following Him on white horses. (15) From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the winepress of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty.

And then an angel speaks.

Revelation 19:17-18 NASB (17) Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out with a loud voice, saying to all the birds which fly in mid-heaven, “Come, assemble for the great supper of God, (18) so that you may eat the flesh of kings and the flesh of commanders and the flesh of mighty men and the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them and the flesh of all men, both free men and slaves, and small and great.”

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Let’s see if we can fly through these last two verses.

Revelation 11:18 NASB “And the nations were enraged, and Your wrath came, and the time came for the dead to be judged, and the time to reward Your bond-servants the prophets and the saints and those who fear Your name, the small and the great, and to destroy those who destroy the earth.”

  • And the nations were enraged,” This is a defiant rage.

    Past or a future event? If it’s future it may be referring to a moment like this.

    Revelation 16:10-11 NASB (10) Then the fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast and his kingdom became darkened, and they gnawed their tongues because of pain, (11) and they blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores; and they did not repent of their deeds.

    If this is talking about a time past, then perhaps 2 Kings has captured it.

    2 Kings 19:27-28 NASB ‘But I know your sitting down, And your going out and your coming in, And your raging against Me. (28) ‘Because of your raging against Me, And because your arrogance has come up to My ears, Therefore I will put My hook in your nose, And My bridle in your lips, And I will turn you back by the way which you came.

  • “ and Your wrath came,” Violent passions.

    You might think that He is referring to their wrath, but it is not. He is talking about the rage that He will pour out upon the nations.

    Daniel 8:19 NASB He said, “Behold, I am going to let you know what will occur at the final period of the indignation, for it pertains to the appointed time of the end.

  • and the time came for the dead to be judged,” The dead?

    First you need to understand something, no one really dies as our souls are eternal. Death is a complete absence from God, and, as yet, no one has truly experienced that condition, as there has been no judgment. That day will come. So these have all been lying in silence until this day; some have been lying in state considerably longer, but time has been of no consequence to them.

    Isaiah 26:19 NASB Your dead will live; Their corpses will rise. You who lie in the dust, awake and shout for joy, For your dew is as the dew of the dawn, And the earth will give birth to the departed spirits.

    Don’t get all hung up on the idea that all dead will awake to joy. Matthew 25, where we see the sheep and goat judgment is the same scenario. No one appears to say anything, and then God separates them into what He refers to as sheep and goats. He grants the sheep (followers) entrance into the kingdom – something they did NOT expect, and they ask why.

    Daniel 12:2 NASB “Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.

    Matthew 25 and Revelation 20:12-15 are the same story from different perspectives.

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      • Revelation 20:12-15 NASB (12) And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throneand books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. (13) And the sea gave up the dead which was in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which was in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds. (14) Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. (15) And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

If you were among these dead taunted by these books, only to find that it was all a farce as you were all condemned to a fiery death, then that would make God a liar and worthy of death Himself. God, does not lie, He cannot, so we can know that there is hope for many.

By the way, the usage of the word judged in Revelation 11:18, seems inappropriate as it is the Greek word krínō and means to separate, distinguish, or discriminate between good and evil. This is what we see Jesus/God do in Matthew 25.

  • and the time to reward Your bond-servants the prophets and the saints and those who fear Your name, the small and the great,”

    If you have spent any amount of time in the church, then you have heard condemning sermons about the bema seat of Christ. You will find references to this in Romans 14:10 and 2Corinthians 5:10. They both speak of the judgment seat, which in Greek is the bema seat. This judgment that we see in Revelation 11 is NOT the bema seat it is the Greek word krínō, a separation, as I mentioned above. The Bema seat is the one that most understand to be in the moments after the rapture of the church. If it is included in Revelation 11, along with the wrath and judgment of the dead, then perhaps we have placed this event in the wrong spot, but I don’t think so as the context of the verse is about God separating the wheat from the tares, which look very similar to a city boy.

  • and to destroy those who destroy the earth.”

    Those who destroy the earth, have done so: in the name of greed and self will. They have shown no kindness to the earth and will be judged harshly, primarily because they have injured the people, the heart of God and His creation.

Revelation 11:19 NASB And the temple of God which is in heaven was opened; and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple, and there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder and an earthquake and a great hailstorm.

Sometimes I don’t know what to say. I wish I could say it’s done, but I know other aspects, like the bowl judgments will be discussed. For the moment I want you to see what Dr. J. Vernon McGee said about this.

When we see the church again, it will be in the New Jerusalem, and we are told definitely that there is no temple there. Here there is a temple in heaven. The temple which Moses made was made after the pattern in heaven. “And the sanctuary (temple) of God in heaven was opened” means that God is dealing now with Israel.”

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My two witnesses. Revelation 11:3-12

If you were to ask, I would tell you that my favorite biblical character is the prophet Samuel. Like Elijah, this man did it all. Because of Israel’s pleas for God’s help Samuel prayed and the Lord sent lightning strikes, hail, and earthquakes against the Philistines. Look up the dynamics of lightning and you might get this.

Lightning is a discharge of electricity. A single stroke of lightning can heat the air around it to 30,000°C (54,000°F)! This extreme heating causes the air to expand explosively fast. The expansion creates a shock wave that turns into a booming sound wave, known as thunder.

Surprisingly, people have been struck by lightning and lived. But what about the shock wave from a lightning strike?

the brain—even without a direct hit to the head—could be seriously injured by primary blast waves that last just milliseconds. Scientists discovered a distinctive honeycomb pattern of broken and swollen nerve fibers in the brains of five Iraq and Afghanistan combat veterans who survived multiple IEDs and died later of other causes. The tiny wounds—different from brain damage caused by car crashes or collision sports—were identified in brain regions that affect decision-making, memory, and reasoning, and maybe “the signature of blast injury,”

Imagine baseball-sized hailstones raining down upon you while you are running for cover, just to have the earth open up and swallow some of your troops. This is how God responded to Samuel’s prayer for help. But the most dramatic aspect of Samuel’s life came when he confronted King Saul for sparing the life of King Agag. Samuel hacks King Agag into pieces. So for a while, when Samuel came into town, the town leaders would ask him if he had come in peace.

As a youth I was anything but feared or respected, and the hope that coming to Jesus might change all that was a real thing for me. I will add, when I graduated from high school I was five foot seven; I am now six foot four, and yes, I have used my size to intimidate, but in truth, I did it to keep people from seeing the fear in me. (If you have been abused in any way, it will take your lifetime to try and get past it, and it is a struggle.)

For the reasons that I have pointed out, I have loved the story of God’s two witnesses; and thus begins this dive into Revelation 11:3-12.

“Also I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, dressed in sackcloth.” These are the two olive trees and the two menorahs standing before the Lord of the earth. If anyone tries to do them harm, fire comes out of their mouth and consumes their enemies—yes, if anyone tries to harm them, that is how he must die. They have the authority to shut up the sky so that no rain falls during the period of their prophesying; also they have the authority to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want. When they finish their witnessing, the beast coming up out of the Abyss will fight against them, overcome them and kill them; and their dead bodies will lie in the main street of the great city whose name, to reflect its spiritual condition, is “Sodom” and “Egypt”—the city where their Lord was executed on a stake. Some from the nations, tribes, languages, and people see their bodies for three-and-a-half days and do not permit the corpses to be placed in a tomb. The people living in the Land rejoice over them, they celebrate and send each other gifts, because these two prophets tormented them so.

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But after the three-and-a-half days a breath of life from God entered them, they stood up on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. Then the two heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here!” And they went up into heaven in a cloud, while their enemies watched them. (Revelation 11:3-12 CJB)

  • Also I will give power to my two witnesses”

    I have said many times that we are to look for witnesses. In this case, the scripture that would explain who these witnesses are according to the Torah or Tenach (for us Gentiles, that would be the Old Testament.)

    In light of their authority – In Isaiah 8:2 NASB God says, “… I will take to Myself faithful witnesses for testimony, …” Now, He goes on, in this instance, to name, Uriah the priest and Zechariah the son of Jeberechiah. Does the mention of those names exclude this from speaking about God handpicking two ancient prophets that never tasted death? Of course not, and, as you may well know, Jesus, on several occasions, used portions of passages to fit the moment. An example of this comes when Jesus announced His mission on earth.

    The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me Because the LORD has anointed me To bring good news to the afflicted; He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to captives And freedom to prisoners; (2) To proclaim the favorable year of the LORD And the day of vengeance of our God; To comfort all who mourn, Isaiah 61:1-2 NASB

    That Sabbath day, He left off a portion as He said nothing about the day of vengeance of our God. Why leave that part off? Because that time was yet to come when His judgment will be unleashed.

    In Malachi, we find a reference to Elijah coming.

    Malachi 4:5-6 NASB “Behold, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the LORD. (6) “He will restore the hearts of the fathers to their children and the hearts of the children to their fathers, so that I will not come and smite the land with a curse.”

    What is the great and terrible day of the Lord? God’s wrath, that time we so foolishly call the tribulation. Has the time of God’s wrath come? Absolutely NOT, but soon.


    Thankfully, we have a heads up as to who one of the prophets is.

    If you were to ask who the other might be, I would have to lean toward the idea that man is appointed once to die, and there were only two people that the bible tells us did not die, Elijah, who has already been identified, and Enoch; and yes, Enoch is referred to as a prophet. Jude 1:14 tells us Enoch prophesied. Hebrews 11:5 tells us that he was taken up so that he might not see death. You cannot apply these parameters to Moses, as much as you might try. So by witnesses, we have established the authority of these two witnesses.

    A single witness shall not rise up against a man on account of any iniquity or any sin which he has committed; on the evidence of two or three witnesses a matter shall be confirmed.” (Deuteronomy 19:15 NASB)

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  • So this begs the question, are they testifying of God’s power, and who He is, or are they testifying against Israel and the nations?

    What a great question. I believe the answer is both, but don’t expect to hear this answer in church. Our religious mentality perceives testifying as openly speaking about what God has done in your life, with the hope of winning over the lost to Jesus. The testimony services we had in church, were along this same line. While many were interesting the main benefit of these services was that we got to bypass some hell, fire, and brimstone preaching that night.

    With all that in mind what can we expect these two to do?

    Revelation 11:5 AMP

    • And if anyone attempts to injure them,”

      If? how about no doubt about it. Every Islamic will be trying to kill them. At first, because they may look old and feeble, it would be personal attacks. Since that won’t work, it will move on to snipers, rocket-propelled grenades, and perhaps mortars.

    • Fire pours from their mouth and consumes their enemies; if anyone should attempt to harm them, thus he is doomed to be slain.

      An interesting thing about using the Amplified is that they typically give you cross-references, and they did that here. [II Kings 1:10; Jer. 5:14.]

      II Kings 1:10 speaks of Elijah and gives testimony that he had done this before. (One of the reasons that many think Moses would be one the prophets has much to do with the miracles and signs that he performed.)

      Jeremiah 5:14 tells us that God said, “ thus says the LORD, the God of hosts, “Because you have spoken this word, Behold, I am making My words in your mouth fire And this people wood, and it will consume them.” If anything this verse promotes the idea that God’s words would be fire in their mouths and that those words would consume those that hear. Honestly, it is a bit of a stretch to use Jeremiah, but the Jews, hearing these words might say, ah yes.

    Revelation 11:6 NASB

    • These have the power to shut up the sky, so that rain will not fall during the days of their prophesying;

      Why might this be important? Because when they are gone the false prophet does the opposite. He turns the rain back on. Note what the scripture says it does not rain, in at least the region, for the entire time they are prophesying.

    • and they have power over the waters to turn them into blood,

      This should make bells go off in your head. This is what God had Moses do to Egypt. Strangely, the Egyptian priests also turned the remaining water into blood. They took the remaining clean water and ruined to prove their point.

    • and to strike the earth with every plague,

      While the word used does have plague as its main definition, it also means blows, wounds or injury. 

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Why is this important? Because during the entire time of God’s wrath, the earth and the people alive here have been receiving blows, wounds, and injury. There is one other thing, and that is the man-made plagues that the global elite has released upon the earth. God will match you blow for blow. The fact that they can strike the entire earth indicates that there is NO limitation to the Word of God.

  • as often as they desire.

    And this tells me that there are NO restrictions placed upon them. You might think that they would only go after those who have tried to harm them, but that is not the case.

We are told, in Revelation 11:3, that their time on the earth in 1260 days.

Revelation 11:7 NASB

      • When they have finished their testimony,

        Jesus told us, no one takes my life, I lay it down. They knew their time is done and so did God.

      • the beast that comes up out of the abyss

        In a previous post I went into detail about how that this is Satan. You don’t have to answer this, but how many names does Satan have? Go back to Revelation 9:11 and study that out. We are jumping ahead but let’s look at Revelation 17:8 for a moment.

        Revelation 17:8 NASB “The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go to destruction. And those who dwell on the earth, whose name has not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, will wonder when they see the beast, that he was and is not and will come.

        Ask yourself, when Jesus comes back as the warring messiah, only three persons are tossed into the abyss, who are they? The antichrist, the false prophet, and, for a time, Satan. In Revelation 13:2 we see the dragon (Satan) give one of the beasts his power. What power does Satan have? None, outside of deception, but there one other thing and the biggest of all, and that would be the title deed to the earth (he stole that title from Adam.) So when he is giving this beast his power, he is offering him power over the whole earth. Have you ever asked yourself, how is it that one person can seem to gain power over the entire earth? Empowered by Satan himself, the antichrist will make war with them, and, as you can tell by the next bullet point, succeed, or so he thinks.

      • will make war with them, and overcome them and kill them.

        The antichrist does not allow anyone to touch them as they want to gloat over their dead bodies.

Revelation 11:8 NASB

    • And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which mystically is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.

      At this point the two witnesses are lying dead in the street. Imagine that, they think they have killed, or at minimum hurt God.

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It is possible that Psalm 79 is addressing this very moment in time.

Psalms 79:1-2 NASB A Psalm of Asaph. O God, the nations have invaded Your inheritance; They have defiled Your holy temple; They have laid Jerusalem in ruins. (2) They have given the dead bodies of Your servants for food to the birds of the heavens, The flesh of Your godly ones to the beasts of the earth.

Pay attention to this part, “their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which mystically is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.”

When you struggle to understand how Babylon can be resurrected and play an end-times role, consider what God is calling Jerusalem. Funny how God has added, where their Lord was crucified. Even then He was their Lord, but they refused Him, now He is making a harsh point.

Revelation 11:9-10 NASB

      • Those from the peoples and tribes and tongues and nations will look at their dead bodies for three and a half days, and will not permit their dead bodies to be laid in a tomb.

        Prior to the advent of 24 hours news, this aspect did not make much sense, but we come to the point where you are never without news, even if it is scripted and planned lies. There are webcams everywhere, and the fact that two ancient prophets are giving people havoc, is the news. The antichrist will not permit their dead bodies to be moved.

      • (10) And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them and celebrate; and they will send gifts to one another because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth.

        Those who were hoping for the New World Order, will be having a party because of their deaths. Consider that God has been dishing out His judgments the whole of the time they have been standing in Jerusalem. But while standing there, they have been dishing out God’s judgments as well, with NO restraint. No wonder people are celebrating.

Revelation 11:11-12 NASB

    • But after the three and a half days, the breath of life from God came into them, and they stood on their feet;

      Just a guess, but I suspect the first thing those watching might say, they will know that we have been laughing and will kill us.

      God resurrects them from the dead; they have now met the requirement.

    • and great fear fell upon those who were watching them.

      I imagine so.

    • And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” Then they went up into heaven in the cloud, and their enemies watched them.

      When God spoke in a loud voice on previous occasions, anyone that heard it said it sounded like thunder, NOT THIS TIME. And God raptured them back up into heaven.

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Revelation 11:13 NASB

    • And in that hour there was a great earthquake,

      Throughout the time of judgment there are several intense earthquakes, some sound as though the continental plates could realign and connect making one land mass, again.

    • and a tenth of the city fell;

      Only a tenth? Considering what much of Israel looks like, I would say it looks like rock and adobe construction. Much of Southern California was built from lath, plaster, and red clay bricks. In one of earthquakes many structures in the town of Whittier collapsed.

    • seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake,

      Again I reference our Southern California earthquakes. In 1994 we had the Northridge quake which struck at 04:30. Fortunately the early hour still had many people in bed and not on the freeways which buckled and collapsed. Multi-story apartments collapsed, and colleges, eleven hospitals sustained varying levels of damage, and of course phone and electricity went down. Surprisingly, only 60 died, but over 9000 were injured.

      Can you imagine how brutal this quake will be to kill over 7000.

    • and the rest were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.

      The rest”, these were the global spectators who laughed and partied only moments before. The entirety of God’s judgments are meant to drive you to repentance. Apparently, God made a dent in some of them.

For several posts I have referred to chronological timelines. Obviously, not everything fits precisely within a timeline, but, like these two witnesses, they insert easily. Everything about them screams that they come at almost the same time as the construction of the temple. There would be a huge association for the Jews if that happened. The amount of time that they are here is important as well, 1260 days. That is half of the seven years, and what happens at the halfway marker of the seven years? The peace treaty is broken and the false prophet steps forward.

If the false prophet is, as I say, the current high priest that presides over the sacrifices in the new temple, and, he makes a flip, converts to Islam, performs all the signs and wonders that the two witnesses have been performing, then can you see how the ELECT of Israel, the Jewish leadership, might convert and follow along with him?

Islam sees a man like the high priest within their prophecies as well, and strangely, it all makes sense.

I strongly suggest that you turn to Jesus as your savior now, not later. It is going to be unbearably difficult.

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It seems that there is a massive pause. Rev 11:1-4

So, here we are, beginning to read Revelation chapter 11. It seems like just minutes ago that we read

Revelation 10:6-7 NASB and swore by Him who lives forever and ever, WHO CREATED HEAVEN AND THE THINGS IN IT, AND THE EARTH AND THE THINGS IN IT, AND THE SEA AND THE THINGS IN IT, that there will be delay no longer, (7) but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, then the mystery of God is finished, as He preached to His servants the prophets.

The transition between verses six and seven is the word but; that word could indicate anything coming immediately after this conversation or another future event. The usage of the term “delay” should eliminate any future events. The problem we escapees from the nations have is that we have the worst time separating ourselves from the church age we live, as we apply our mindset and current issues to the book of Revelation. If I think in terms of the immediate and overall context, the conversation is taking place during the time of the seven trumpets; and what they bring to the earth begins in chapter eight.

  • Hail, mixed with fire and blood;

  • A third of the sea becomes blood, and a third of the sea life dies.

  • One-third of all the ships on the sea were destroyed.

  • One-third of the water sources become undrinkable, and many people died.

  • A third of the sun became darkened along with the moon.

I suspect, you get the picture, yet this is only how this “trumpet” phase begins. Any of these events could lead to devastating results. Having already, in our chronology, experienced the seal judgments, the bowl judgments, and now the trumpet judgments, you might think that those who are going to repent and come to the Lord have done so.

And yet, John is still under a directive to –

Revelation 10:11 CEV Then some voices said, “Keep on telling what will happen to the people of many nations, races, and languages, and also to kings.”

Considering where John is when this vision occurs, how is he going to make verse 11 happen?

I suppose, depending on your age and how painful it is to get up and walk, you should rejoice. However, this thought process makes me think about the many ways you could keep on telling what will happen and to whom, and writing could be one of them.

On that note, what is the next thing that John does?

He writes out what he saw and heard, with minor exceptions – like the information he was commanded NOT to share. Yet almost two thousand years later, someone like me is still writing about understanding the Revelation.

Now we have moved into chapter eleven, and it seems that there is a monumental interruption. I say this because, even though “there will be no more delays,” and yet the seventh trumpet does not come until Revelation 11:15. At this point, we need to understand WHY God inserted this coming information about measuring the temple and the two witnesses. These two witnesses are a mystery to most but vital to Israel’s repentance. Remember context, and try to think like a Jew.

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Revelation 11:1-4 CJB I was given a measuring rod like a stick and told, “Get up, and measure the Temple of God and the altar, and count how many people are worshiping there! (2) But the court outside the Temple, leave that out; don’t measure it; because it has been given to the Goyim (Gentiles,) and they will trample over the holy city for forty-two months. (3) “Also I will give power to my two witnesses; and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, dressed in sackcloth.” (4) These are the two olive trees and the two menorahs standing before the Lord of the earth.

At the time of this vision was there a temple?

No, it had been destroyed in 70 A.D., and the Bible Knowledge Commentary tells us that “Most evangelical scholars affirm that Revelation was written in a.d. 95 or 96. This is based on accounts of the early church fathers that the Apostle John had been exiled on Patmos Island during the reign of Domitian who died in a.d. 96. John was then allowed to return to Ephesus.”

John, was well aware that the temple was gone, and would not be thinking in terms of Solomon’s nor Herod’s temple so those would not apply to Revelation 11:1,2. But a future temple, in the millennial kingdom, would, and he had learned of that temple from Ezekiel chapters 40-42, 45.

Ezekiel had been taken captive into Babylon. Since the captivity was to last seventy years, the chances of Ezekiel seeing home again was slim to none. Under these circumstances, the Lord gives him a vision.

Ezekiel 40:1 CEV Twenty-five years after King Jehoiachin and the rest of us had been led away as prisoners to Babylonia, and fourteen years after the Babylonians had captured Jerusalem, the LORD’s power took control of me on the tenth day of the first month. The LORD showed me some visions in which I was carried to the top of a high mountain in Jerusalem. I looked to the south and saw what looked like a city full of buildings.

  • But don’t measure the courtyard outside the temple building. Leave it out. It has been given to those people who don’t know God, and they will trample all over the holy city for forty-two months.” Revelation 11:2.

The outer court was the only place women could go, and, it was where Jesus overthrew the tables of the money-changers and sellers of sacrificial animals.

In the previous post I showed you this passage.

Ezekiel 8:5-9 NASB Then He said to me, “Son of man, raise your eyes now toward the north.” So I raised my eyes toward the north, and behold, to the north of the altar gate was this idol of jealousy at the entrance. (6) And He said to me, “Son of man, do you see what they are doing, the great abominations which the house of Israel are committing here, so that I would be far from My sanctuary? But yet you will see still greater abominations.” (7) Then He brought me to the entrance of the court, and when I looked, behold, a hole in the wall. (8) He said to me, “Son of man, now dig through the wall.” So I dug through the wall, and behold, an entrance. (9) And He said to me, “Go in and see the wicked abominations that they are committing here.”

As far as God was concerned the courtyard was filled with abominations at the hands of the nations (ethnic groups). What then are abominations?

According to Webster’s Dictionary: defilement, pollution – in a physical sense, or evil doctrines and practices – which are moral defilements, idols and idolatry, (all of which) are called abominations. So God is giving us, once again, a definition of why He has poured out His wrath upon Israel and the nations;

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in all of this He wishes to see repentance, but for many, it never comes. We have been using the term nations and gentiles quite freely, perhaps we need to go over how this word was perceived by the Jews. Nation and Gentiles were synonymous terms, however, the Greek term is ethnos. That should sound familiar as it is a base from which we get ethnicity. Sadly, ethnicity is wrapped up in racism, and everyone practices some form of racism. By Jewish standards, it referred to anyone outside of the Jewish religion. Since the time of Christ and the age of grace, “the nations” refers to anyone who is not in Christ. We, by the way, became a part of Christ’s body of believers when we accepted Him and the life He gave for us. Nations then simply boils down to the haters outside of Christ.

Do you know that even within religions there are many haters?

We might assume the Gentiles would be the abomination, but no, it’s aliens (I jest, sort of.) Look at what Jeremiah tells us.

Jeremiah 51:51 NASB We are ashamed because we have heard reproach; Disgrace has covered our faces, For aliens have entered The holy places of the LORD’S house.

Aliens seems to be a hot topic lately. Here it is the Hebrew word zur and means strangers, enemies, illegitimate, adulteress, and outsiders. Maybe it would help you understood if you consider that because Mary stood her ground and insisted that God was Jesus’s Father, that Jesus was deemed to be a mumzer (an illegitimate child.) Do you think for a second that the tightly knit community believed Mary’s story? If you never watched The Chosen, there is a scene when Jesus, and all the disciples, walked into a local synagogue. The priest was reading, with what seemed like a vile anger, Deuteronomy 23.

Deuteronomy 23:2 NASB “No one of illegitimate birth shall enter the assembly of the LORD; none of his descendants, even to the tenth generation, shall enter the assembly of the LORD.

By this standard Jesus could not and should not have entered a Synagogue, nor be taught in the Rabbinical schools; and yet Jesus, at age 12, stood His ground with the learned men in the temple. Jesus birth, by all standards, should have made Jesus the alien because he was thought by most to be illegitimate. Fascinating, and yet He was well educated in the scriptures. Some would use the lame reasoning that He was God and therefore, had special understanding or privilege. The problem with that kind of thinking is that the majority of us only accept that He was God as head knowledge, and then, only because we have heard someone say it; and yet, many will fight with you if you say that Jesus had NO special privilege and had to be taught just as the pharisees were. There is a logical explanation for this but this is not the time or place.

Moving on with Revelation 11:3,4.

Also I will give power to my two witnesses; and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, dressed in sackcloth.” (4) These are the two olive trees and the two menorahs standing before the Lord of the earth.”

I find the introduction of the two witnesses uncomfortable as I try to make them fit into MY scheme of things. (Yes, that’s what we do, and because we are prone to do that, we have to force ourselves to pay attention to context and let scripture define scripture.)

How and why is any of this information that we see in Revelation 11:1-4 significant?

I hope this short dive into the potential chronological events associated with Revelation 11:1-4 that initiate the rapture and immediately after that might help.

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  • The rapture of the church must be the first thing that happens, and then the antichrist comes on the scene. 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Geneva “Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and then that man of sin be disclosed, even the son of perdition,” (I made it a bit more readable.) I used the Geneva bible because it was one of the first printed translations and they got it right. 

  • The Revelation makes me believe that God’s judgments begin shortly after the church is removed, and with the opening of the first seal (Revelation 6:1) we get the antichrist – the rider on the white horse. A common understanding is that a person scripture calls the antichrist, will make a peace treaty with many. It does not specify Israel and is foolish to think so. The Muslims will not listen to someone who is not a Muslim, and since the majority of players in this war are Muslims, well you do the math.

    Doesn’t the fact that there is a call for peace imply that there will be another hellish war going on? Everything I see tells me that this war will be against Israel, and there is a great chance that the mosque that is on the temple mount will get destroyed.

  • Moments after the removal of the church people will be trying to kill each other. Revelation 6:2,3, the second seal is broken and the rider on the red horse takes peace from the earth. Some might say, that this is nothing new, just look at the news. Yeah, I get that, but the escalation in the number of killings will be horrific.

  • In the midst of all this, the temple in Jerusalem will have to be built, but something has to be done about that Mosque before that can happen. War may take care of that, or the firestorm that Ezekiel 38,39 speaks of. The temple will only function, as the Jews expect, for 1260 days – give or take, and then the abomination that Daniel informed us about will be set up, and the people will be forced to worship the image. There might be months in between the onslaughts, but who can say. Many think building the temple would be time-consuming, not really, for two reasons: First, they can use a temporary structure that can be put up overnight. Secondly, because the design and concrete walls are already made, they merely need to be bolted together. Everything is ready, including the high priest, a fairly young man named Rabbi Baruch Kahane. An article from August tells us about him.


Ah, finally, the two witnesses.

  • Let’s assume that the two witnesses have arrived from heaven at the same time as the construction of the temple. The two witnesses are only here for 1260 days; considering what they have come out of their mouths, they might help serve as force protection for the temple and those making sacrifices. Why say that? Because with their deaths, we have the false prophet shoved down our throats, and he acts similarly to these prophets of God; for example, the prophets stop the rain, and the false prophet turns it back on again. The false prophet also becomes the enforcer of Sharia law. It seems that the death of God’s prophets enables the last half of the seven years to take place.

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While I would love to talk about these two witnesses briefly, the conversation about the two witnesses is a post in itself, and I will pass until the next post.

  • As the third seal is opened, food becomes more scarce, and we all get hit with hyperinflation. So, if you can find any food, you won’t be able to afford it. Revelation 6:5,6.

  • When the Lamb broke the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, “Come.” I looked, and behold, an ashen horse; and he who sat on it had the name Death; and Hades was following with him. Authority was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by the wild beasts of the earth.” Revelation 6:7-8. How are these riders killing? Sword, famine, pestilence, and by beasts of the earth. Pestilence, according to The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, is defined as any sudden fatal epidemic. The Greek word is thánatos and means death. The question is, aren’t we currently dealing with a so-called pandemic with a “deadly” Covid virus?

If you are reading along with me in your bibles, then you are aware that God is NOT scheduling these events on the calendar for our direct benefit. He does, however, have a calendar if we are paying attention, and we are deeply entrenched in His calendar right now.

Having spent my life in the church, I have seen everything, and not all of it was good. Several “teachers” have tried to come up with chronological views. One resource on my computer is Rev. Clarence Larkin’s Book of Charts. If this was supposed to make sense and be helpful to me, then why can I NOT grasp most of what I see there?

I am not so unlike you; I want to understand and clearly explain what I see there. Having been attacked by a pastor who said, no one understands the Revelation, I have taken the position that says, I do; and if I don’t, then I will have to rely on doing my homework and the guidance of the Holy Spirit to come up with an answer. (By the way, I do not have to answers immediately and will allow myself time to come up with one.) Study your bibles and lean on the Holy Spirit. Don’t allow someone else to tell you what it means; most of the time, what they are saying is garbage. After several weeks of explaining the Revelation, one such pastor merely noted that the twelve elders were the church. He did not explain why; trust me, it needed an explanation; not just because I say so, but because there is little to define how or why the twelve are the church. Oh, it’s there in scripture, and it took Pastor John MacArthur to explain it, and I can hardly stand the man because he is so mean.

We, the church, are on the edge of eternity right now. Those who are not part of the church are going to have the worst time possible. Just the little bit that I have pointed out here should make that plain.

Put your faith in Jesus Christ. He died for your sins and rose again so that you might have a life with the Father. None of this is automatic and asks that you put your faith in Him. If you do that, you will be His forever, and you will live in His peaceful kingdom.

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The mystery of God is finished. Rev 10:10-11:3.

Let’s look, momentarily, at what we last covered.

Revelation 10:7-9 NLT When the seventh angel blows his trumpet, God’s mysterious plan will be fulfilled. It will happen just as he announced it to his servants the prophets.” (8) Then the voice from heaven spoke to me again: “Go and take the open scroll from the hand of the angel who is standing on the sea and on the land.” (9) So I went to the angel and told him to give me the small scroll. “Yes, take it and eat it,” he said. “It will be sweet as honey in your mouth, but it will turn sour in your stomach!”

  • When the seventh angel blows his shofar, God’s mysterious plan will be fulfilled.”

From the first moments in the garden, the mysterious plan was in action. How appropriate that he would call the plan mysterious and here is why.

    • Eve told God she was deceived, but the word she used was nâshâ’, or as the Word Study Dictionary shows nāšā’. In either case it is a verb indicating lending or interest, serving as a creditor. Wait a minute, she said she was deceived but this word means that they have now voluntarily become indebted to a demonic entity and enslaved the entire human race.

At this point, you should be asking, what just happened?

You might agree that Eve was deceived, but Adam was not. His eyes were fully open and he stood right there watching and listening to everything that Satan/the serpent was up to, including the moment when Eve reached out for the forbidden fruit. What did Adam do, he followed her lead and in so doing handed over the authority and ownership of the earth and all that went with it. In doing this Adam put humanity (for a long time) into the indebtedness of Satan.

Wow, this sounds so hopeless, and it is by human standards, but not by God’s, and thus begins the mysterious plan to get rid of Satan once and for all; to redeem humanity, giving them the right to choose Christ as their master, and to finally bring His followers back into the eternal kingdom of peace.

Genesis 3:15 MKJV And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her Seed; He will bruise your head and you shall bruise His heel.

(I dislike this word enmity because NO ONE uses it. The dictionary tells us it means “The quality of being an enemy; the opposite of friendship; ill will; hatred; unfriendly dispositions; malevolence.”)

Since it’s obvious that Eve would NOT live forever, the usage of the terminology “woman” is referring to Israel which will produce the Messiah – the He that this verse refers to is Jesus and He will bruise your head (Satan).

Bruise is the Hebrew word shûph and means to crush or snap. It is not the civilized word bruise, it is a death blow. You would think that Satan received such a blow when God threw him out of heaven; and yet, when you read Job you find Satan presenting himself before God in heaven. It is also clear from scripture that Satan is before God perpetually accusing the saints, so the “fatal” blow will come at the end of the thousand years of peace, when Satan is permanently dispatched into the lake of fire, never to be heard from again.

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  • Go and take the open scroll from the hand of the angel who is standing on the sea and on the land.”

    This theme originated in the Tanakh (the Old Testament) and we have several examples.

    Ezekiel 2:8-10 speaks of sadness, mourning, and grief.

    Ezekiel 2:8-10 CEV Ezekiel, don’t rebel against me, as they have done. Instead, listen to everything, I tell you. And now, Ezekiel, open your mouth and eat what I am going to give you. (9) Just then, I saw a hand stretched out toward me. And in it was a scroll. (10) The hand opened the scroll and both sides of it were filled with words of sadness, mourning, and grief.

    Ezekiel 3 expresses how He is primarily directing this message to the people of Israel.

    Ezekiel 3:1-3 NLT The voice said to me, “Son of man, eat what I am giving you—eat this scroll! Then go and give its message to the people of Israel.” (2) So I opened my mouth, and he fed me the scroll. (3) “Fill your stomach with this,” he said. And when I ate it, it tasted as sweet as honey in my mouth.

    And Zechariah tells us it is the curse that goes out over the face of the whole land. All of these examples sound like the Revelation.

    Zechariah 5:1-3 TLV Once again I lifted up my eyes and behold, I saw a flying scroll! (2) Then the angel asked me, “What do you see?” I replied, “I see a flying scroll twenty cubits long and ten cubits wide.” (3) He said to me: “This is the curse that goes out over the face of the whole land: everyone who steals will be swept away from here according to it, and everyone who swears will be swept away from here according to it.”

    I am just a mortal, but my logical assumption is that God has asked John to consume the scroll that contains the fulfillment of the mystery, the same information that we are reading. The fact that it tastes like honey might have a correlation to our hope where our spirits rejoice because there will be a time in which we finally get to return to our Father. What might explain that it turns bitter in John’s stomach is that the last seven years that fulfill the hope of the Jew, is filled with horror, pain, and death; and, hopefully repentance.

Chapter ten ends with this.

Revelation 10:10-11 NASB, “I took the little book out of the angel’s hand and ate it, and in my mouth, it was sweet as honey; and when I had eaten it, my stomach was made bitter. (11) And they *said to me, “You must prophesy again concerning many peoples and nations and tongues and kings.”

Chapter ten opened with the description of a great angel. I explained how every description of the angel points to Jesus Christ. With that information, I feel comfortable in saying that Jesus handed John the scroll. Since Jesus is the Word, then these are Jesus’ words and He has asked John to prophesy concerning many people, nations, tongues, and kings. Note that there is NO exclusivity to the Jews at this point.

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Chapter ten, it would seem, is done. We have seen a finality in verse seven.

Revelation 10:7 NASB, but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, then the mystery of God is finished, as He preached to His servants the prophets.

Yes, this is event is yet to come, but it is potentially only seven years away from now.

A key to understanding chapter ten is keeping in mind that we are only introduced to the effects of the seventh trumpet; but, we have been given the impression that, at this point in time, that the seventh trumpet (a shofar) is close, in terms of time, to the events described in chapter ten.

If the mystery, according to Revelation 10, is complete, at this point, with no further delays, then why ten more chapters?

However, we don’t see the seventh trumpet until Revelation 11:15, but I think you will agree with me, as you begin to read chapter 11, that there is a lot going on.

While we are waiting for the seventh shofar to blow, what is going on?

With that we will begin to dip into Revelation 11.

Revelation 11:1 CJB I was given a measuring rod like a stick and told, “Get up, and measure the Temple of God and the altar, and count how many people are worshiping there!

Again, a Jewish theme, and one which is prominent in Ezekiel 40 – 42. Immediately I recognize that I am being given background information.

Ezekiel 40:5 CJB There was a wall surrounding the house. The man had in his hand a measuring rod six cubits long [ten-and-a-half feet], each cubit [twenty-one inches] being a normal cubit [eighteen inches] plus a handbreadth [three inches]. He measured the wall’s width at ten-and-a-half feet and its height at ten-and-a-half feet.

The lengths were standards for Israel. Revelation 11:2 is immensely significant.

Revelation 11:2 NASB “Leave out the court which is outside the temple and do not measure it, for it has been given to the nations; and they will tread under foot the holy city for forty-two months.

In Luke’s gospel, we are told that Israel will fall by the sword (history tells us that this happened at least once already. The shortlist of invaders includes Romans, Saracens, Mamalukes, Franks, and Turks. Scripture tells us that it will happen again.) It is not that difficult to see that Israel is being trampled underfoot by the nations, to some degree, even now. Since the context applies to the rebuilt temple, we can understand it will be more intense and directly related to a future event associated with this forty-two months.

Luke 21:24 NASB and they will fall by the edge of the sword and will be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled underfoot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Trampled is the Greek word pateō. It means to crush, to squeeze the juice out of grapes, to treat with insult, and to trample underfoot.

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Do you want to know why the outer courts and all of Jerusalem will be trampled?

Ezekiel 8:5-9 NASB Then He said to me, “Son of man, raise your eyes now toward the north.” So I raised my eyes toward the north, and behold, to the north of the altar gate was this idol of jealousy at the entrance. And He said to me, “Son of man, do you see what they are doing, the great abominations which the house of Israel are committing here, so that I would be far from My sanctuary? But yet you will see still greater abominations.” (7) Then He brought me to the entrance of the court, and when I looked, behold, a hole in the wall. (8) He said to me, “Son of man, now dig through the wall.” So I dug through the wall, and behold, an entrance. (9) And He said to me, “Go in and see the wicked abominations that they are committing here.”

In the gospels we find this rebuke.

Mark 11:15-17 NASB Then they *came to Jerusalem. And He entered the temple and began to drive out those who were buying and selling in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money-changers and the seats of those who were selling doves; (16) and He would not permit anyone to carry merchandise through the temple. (17) And He began to teach and say to them, “Is it not written, ‘MY HOUSE SHALL BE CALLED A HOUSE OF PRAYER FOR ALL THE NATIONS’? But you have made it a ROBBERS’ DEN.”

Did this phrase forty and two months catch your attention?

forty and two months. Equal to 1260 days, or 3 years and a half. We know that the antichrist will make a peace treaty with many for a seven-year period. (Israel is not mentioned in this conversation, and therefore safer to assume that they are not direct participants.) That could mean that Israel, without any support, has put up a deadly fight, and its attackers, in appropriate Muslim tradition, are merely reloading their weapons. But, as you know, there is a problem and this so-called global world leader, who has the ear of the Muslim nations breaks his own treaty after the forty-two months.

Right now, I would have 101 questions. Fortunately, God has answers, if we are willing to listen.

Revelation 11:3 ESV And I will grant authority (or power) to my two witnesses and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.”

Translations are interesting for they often assume a word or words. Revelation 11:3 is one of those situations, as the word authority/power are not in the Greek text. What is in the Greek text is the word didōmi which means to give something to someone. Didomi forces us to ask, what did He give them? We see this word didomi in the word grantWhen I apply understanding by looking at the context, then it is easy to assume that these two witnesses have been given dunamisor Holy Spirit power. An example of this comes from Acts 1:8.

Acts 1:8 NASB but you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be My witnesses both in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and even to the remotest part of the earth.”

This is the same thing Peter was talking about when he quoted Joel chapter 2. Here in Joel, Peter is talking about power.

Joel 2:28-32 NASB “It will come about after this That I will pour out My Spirit on all mankind; And your sons and daughters will prophesy, Your old men will dream dreams, Your young men will see visions. (29) “Even on the male and female servants, I will pour out My Spirit in those days.

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(30) “I will display wonders in the sky and on the earth, Blood, fire, and columns of smoke. (31) “The sun will be turned into darkness And the moon into blood Before the great and awesome day of the LORD comes. (32) “And it will come about that whoever calls on the name of the LORD Will be delivered; For on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem There will be those who escape, As the LORD has said, Even among the survivors whom the LORD calls.

Who are these two witnesses?

Since it is appointed unto man, once to die, then I can assume that these would be the ONLY two prophets that did not die and therefore we are looking at Enoch and Elijah. Yes, Enoch was deemed to be a prophet and apparently walked off the earth. You would have to have been living under a rock to not know that Elijah got caught up to heaven in a fiery chariot.

A pastor who speaks boldly about end times events has said on many occasions that he wants front row seats to see Satan thrown into the lake of fire. That idea seems rather morbid and I doubt God will allow us to watch as it feeds into a side of our sinful nature, something that will be eradicated in that change process on the way up. What I have often expressed is that I would love to see these two witnesses in action. I suppose my desire stems from a lifetime of fear, and what I have described as powerlessness. Perhaps if I watched someone with power and how they used it, then I too would know how to use power. A bit of a useless fantasy seeing as the church will not be here on earth, a fact that should bring a feeling of hope. Anyway, the two witnesses open so many avenues of thought for me, so I am going to end this here and pick it up in the next post.

By the way, you may have picked up on the fact that God allows for exceptions, even though there are some things that have no give in them, such as, you can only get to heaven through Jesus, the Son. The challenging part of this assertion is defining what exactly the process of going through Jesus looks like. When it came to the thief on the cross, I am hard-pressed to define what happened there, but obviously, the man did what it took and found himself accepted.

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He cried out with a loud voice, as when a lion roars. Revelation 10: 3-8.

Do you ever wonder if God is sick of what goes on down here on earth, I know I am?

In an effort to answer a question like this, perhaps you need to ask; have you ever heard the shriek of someone who has just lost their child to some bloody car accident or a murder?

Maybe that is what we are witnessing here.

Revelation 10:3 NASB “and he cried out with a loud voice, as when a lion roars; and when he had cried out, the seven peals of thunder uttered their voices.”

Often, after looking up a simple expression such as “cried out,” I find its meaning to be far beyond what I imagined. An example of what I am talking about comes from the idea of a town crier. This person does not weep or scream, they merely call out at an elevated tone that it was a particular time or they delivered a message for all to hear. The town crier walked about doing this until he felt that most had an adequate chance to hear.

The word used here in Revelation 10:3 is not such a word. It is the Greek word krazō and means to scream or shriek.

In my previous post, this angel was established to be Jesus and intends for everyone to hear. But note something about this piercing voice, it is “as when a lion roars.” This terminology is consistent through most translations.

When and why does a lion roar?

I do not know all the reasons a lion might roar, but it seems they do so when they have had enough of a situation, or the pride has made a kill and they are taking their fill, or they are in a fight for their life with another lion and they are trying to intimidate. There may be more reasons but the one that dominates my thinking is where the lion has had enough.

If you are inclined to ask why Jesus would roar like a lion; perhaps I should ask you why you have never read the Chronicles of Narnia by C.S. Lewis?

In The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe, Jesus Christ is presented to us as Aslan the Lion.

  • when he had cried out, the seven peals of thunder uttered their voices.”

    Psalm 29:3 has several descriptions of God’s voice. One of those tells us that The God of glory thunders. To go along with that, the apostle John described the moment when God spoke over His Son. In John 12:29, we are told that when God spoke all but Jesus heard thunder.

There is little to define who or what is speaking when we get to Revelation 10:4.

Revelation 10:4 NASB “When the seven peals of thunder had spoken, I was about to write, and I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Seal up the things which the seven peals of thunder have spoken and do not write them.”

I told you a moment ago how that NO ONE understood what God was saying to Jesus, and how that all who stood about heard thunder, quite possibly on a clear day.

How then did the disciples, and by extension, us, come to know what God said to Jesus that day, when He was baptized?

Obviously the disciples asked, He told them, and they shared it with us.

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Give some thought to this idea; is it possible that the Spirit of God has revealed these things to us and we don’t know it?

The Spirit, in speaking to Israel through Isaiah said,

Isaiah 29:6 NASB From the LORD of hosts you will be punished with thunder and earthquake and loud noise, With whirlwind and tempest and the flame of a consuming fire.

The method and means are varied and include a multitude from all the nations. God begins to equate the punishment to a bad dream where you cannot tell what is real.

The Message translates Isaiah 29:9-10 in this manner.

Be shocked and stunned, you prophets! Refuse to see. Get drunk and stagger, but not from wine. The LORD has made you drowsy; he put you into a deep sleep and covered your head.” (Isaiah 29:9-10 CEV)

Pay attention to the terminology in verse 11.

Isaiah 29:11 NASB “The entire vision will be to you like the words of a sealed book, which when they give it to the one who is literate, saying, “Please read this,” he will say, “I cannot, for it is sealed.”

While Isaiah’s prophetic words talk of the vision is like the words of a sealed book. This is in contrast to Revelation 10:4 in which a voice from heaven says, “Seal up the things which the seven peals of thunder have spoken and do not write them.”

I am not saying that we, through faith, much like we did when I was involved with the “faith movement,” pry open the pages of scripture in an attempt at gaining belief for the understanding of the sealed things. But it is possible that God is making His secrets known to those who love Him and pursue His heart. Then again, some things are for us to know, while other things are God’s secrets, which for the moment don’t need to be known.

Daniel 12:4 NASB “But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the end of time; many will go back and forth, and knowledge will increase.”

Ask yourself, do you know with precision what life on earth, during the thousand years, will be like?

If you are honest, you would have to say you are not sure. Some insist that we will have jobs; the problem with this idea is that we are back to managers and corporate executives, along with the graft and theft that we have always known. There is NO WAY that system will be re-instituted on earth, because the corporate system is a part of the Babylon system that emerged out of our brokenness and sin, and God will never allow that again.

Doesn’t Revelation 10:4 indicate that John understood what these voices of thunder said?

Most would never speculate the John understood the words, and yet, there it is, do not write it down, presumably because it is for another time. If all John heard was thunder, what would be the point of writing a detailed description of the thunder; unless he understood the words.

Revelation 10:5-6 CJB Then the angel I saw standing on the sea and on the land lifted his right hand toward heaven (6) and swore by the One who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and what is in it, earth and what is in it, and the sea and what is in it: “There will be no more delay;

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The prophetic relationship for the Jew is pattern and repetition. We have that here with Daniel’s words.

Daniel 12:6-7 NASB And one said to the man dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, “How long will it be until the end of these wonders?” (7) I heard the man dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, as he raised his right hand and his left toward heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever that it would be for a time, times, and half a time; and as soon as they finish shattering the power of the holy people, all these events will be completed.

The Complete Jewish Bible relates verse seven like this:

that it will be when the the power of the holy people is no longer being shattered that all these things will end.”

The CJB intrigues me because it defines how the end will come, “when the power of the holy people is no longer being shattered.”

Who are the holy people?

The answer is Israel/the Jews.

What would it have to look like, so that we could determine that the shattering of Israel is over?

That shattering could only happen when Jesus comes back as the warring Messiah, which we see in Revelation 19:11 through 20:3 give or take a few extra passages and that is because Jesus will end all warfare – for a thousand years

Revelation 10:6 and Daniel 12:7, both infer that these things will be completed and that there will be no more delays.

Ah, but when can this take place?

Only here: Revelation 19:11 through 20:3 give or take a few extra passages.

The angel has not changed; it is Jesus. Fascinating how this angel is now swearing by Him who lives forever and ever; and “who created heaven and the things in it. This is the kind of statement that the doubtful and disparaging use to shut people like me up.

What did John tell us about Jesus?

John 1:1-3 NASB In the beginning, was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God. (2) He was in the beginning with God. (3) All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him, nothing came into being that has come into being.

Kind of confusing, isn’t it?

And yet, it is NOT so confusing if you accept the fact that the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit there have always been; that and the fact that you ARE made in the image of the three, and they are a part of your very being.

At this point, Jesus announces, there will be NO FURTHER DELAYS. A little chronological timekeeping is in order. In Daniel chapter nine Daniel is given an explanation.

Daniel 9:24-25 NLT A period of seventy sets of seven has been decreed for your people and your holy city to finish their rebellion, to put an end to their sin, to atone for their guilt, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to confirm the prophetic vision and to anoint the Most Holy Place. Now listen and understand! Seven sets of seven plus sixty-two sets of seven (469 years) will pass from the time the command is given to rebuild Jerusalem until a ruler—the Anointed Onecomes. (That anointed one is Jesus.) Jerusalem will be rebuilt with streets and strong defenses, despite the perilous times.

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With Jesus’s death and resurrection the world reached the 469th year of a designated 470 years. The understanding is that Israel, and we who follow after Jesus and long for the catching away of the church and the unleashing of God’s wrath, have all been put on hold.

If Jesus is saying there will be no further delays, then where are we in the sequence of events?

We are going to let scripture answer this question. Revelation chapter nine defined the sixth trumpet.

The sixth trumpet unleashed the four angels bound in the Euphrates, who in turn unleashes two million demonic Calvary, which kills one-third of the earth’s population.

Revelation 10:7 NLT When the seventh angel blows his trumpet, God’s mysterious plan will be fulfilled. It will happen just as he announced it to his servants, the prophets.”

Let me review a teaching point. In each of God’s judgments, there have been seven events. The first six bring the pain, the seventh announces the next string of events. So we have had: seals, bowls, and trumpets.

Get this idea out of your head. NO ONE will be standing around waiting for the next phase of God’s fury to be unleashed. It seems that those alive during this time of judgment will barely recover from one thing when the next comes. And though God’s fury has death associated with it; there is no stopping the acts of violence that humans will perform upon each other.

As the Douay-Rheims Bible puts it, the mystery of God shall be finished, as he hath declared by his servants the prophets.”

Dr. J. Vernon McGee tells us, this brings us to the conclusion of the Great Tribulation.

Did you notice that part of the scriptural statement indicates that God has defined all these events to His servants, the prophets.

If that is the case, then why do we act like this is a great mystery, that NO ONE can understand or figure out?

Revelation 10:8 DRB And I heard a voice from heaven, again speaking to me and saying: Go and take the book that is open, from the hand of the angel who stands upon the sea and upon the earth.

One more time, this angel is Jesus.

  • Go and take the book that is open, from the hand of the angel.”

How many books does God have?

None of us has a legitimate answer to that question, but I want you to see something that will challenge your judgmentalism if you are so inclined to act that way.

Revelation 20:11-13 NASB (11) Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. (12) And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened, and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds(13) And the sea gave up the dead which was in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which was in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.

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1 Corinthians 15: 1-4 is the path of salvation through faith in Christ’s death and resurrection. Ephesians 2:8a CEV “You were saved by faith in God,” And yet in Psalms 62:11-12 (GW), the psalmist exclaims …”God has spoken once. I have heard it said twice: Power belongs to God. Mercy belongs to you, O Lord. You reward a person based on what he has done.” The religious assumption is that these deeds are all bad, but you cannot logically pull that kind of response from the sentence.

So, are everyone’s deeds rewarded, regardless of impact?

The short answer is yes, some to glory and some to eternal punishment, and this is exactly what you see in Matthew 25.

  • “ a great white throne and Him who sat upon it,

In Matthew 25, we see this, “when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne.”

Is there any distinction between Jesus and God?

NO! So this, then, is the Son of Man upon the great white throne, isn’t it.

  •  And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne.”

    Now you have to challenge your thinking. We understand that the church is supposed to get caught up to the clouds to forever be with Jesus.

Since we know that the dead in Christ shall rise first, then who are these people?

Hmm, Good question. For all intents and purposes, for all time, these have died outside of an understandable relationship with Jesus; or, so we think. It becomes rather obvious that Jesus sees their acts of kindness as a move toward a relationship. When you get to Matthew 25:31-40 that will become clear.

  • and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life.”

Did you know there were other books?

What kind of cruel joke would God be playing if He laid out many books before Him, knowing full well that the only book necessary, to those standing before Him would be the book of life?

When you look at the judgment from this perspective it does not make sense unless those other books hold out hope for these dead now standing before Him. Religion offers no help, as some “Bible teachers” are willing to condemn all those before the great white throne to hell. If Matthew’s account is just another telling of the great white throne, then there certainly is hope.

What role do these other books play?

We see no definition here in Revelation 20. But if we compare this to Matthew’s account perhaps we can figure out that these other books hold the accounting of our days.

By the way, in Matthew’s account, we see NO books.

Does the fact that we find no books in Matthew’s account diminish the idea that Jesus is seated on the throne of judgment in Matthew 25?

NO, and I say that because you can see the similarities between Matthew’s account and Revelation 20:11-13; in judgment – in that those before the throne are both judged according to their actions, and it is the dead that are being judged.

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I want you to see Matthew’s account here.

Matthew 25:31-40 NASB “But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. (32) “All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats; (33) and He will put the sheep on His right and the goats on the left. (34) “Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. (35) ‘For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in; (36) naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.’ (37) “Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something to drink? (38) ‘And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You? (39) ‘When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ (40) “The King will answer and say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.’

Here is where the ugly side of judgment comes into play.

Matthew 25:41-46 NASB “Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; (42) for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink; (43) I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick and in prison, and you did not visit Me.’ (44) “Then they themselves also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of You?’ (45) “Then He will answer them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these; you did not do it to Me.’ (46) “These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Sadly I have sat under teachers who cannot see past the word punishment in verse 46, as these teachers send everyone before the great white throne to hell.

The reality is that at the end of the seven years of wrath, only two persons are thrown into eternal punishment, the antichrist and the false prophet. So no, not everyone is sent to hell, even though they were missed in the rapture and not considered among the martyred saints (a very rough way to go if you ask me.) There is only one other place where we see humans sent to hell and that is at the final judgment where Jesus sits on the great white throne, the same glorious throne that we see in both Matthew’s account and in the Revelation.

If you were to ask me to explain how or why God chooses to act this way I can only convey what I have found in the Word.

Psalms 62:11-12 AMP God has spoken once, twice have I heard this: that power belongs to God. (12) Also to You, O Lord, belong mercy and loving-kindness, for You render to every man according to his work.

Jeremiah 17:10 AMP I the Lord search the mind, I try the heart, even to give to every man according to his ways, according to the fruit of his doings.

When you read about this judgment in Matthew 25 you can see that the recipients of His mercy are shocked. He replied, “to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.”


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Seal up what the seven thunders have said! Do not write it down!

Imagine sitting and listening to a speaker, very vividly communicate every detail of an event; this was the case when I worked for the phone company, all those years ago. The speaker, an Ohio Highway officer, told us a couple of stories. He had nothing behind him but a chalkboard, where he pointed out which direction each car had been traveling. There was something about his voice and the manner in which he spoke because I still have those verbal images in my head.

Perhaps this is how it was for John because it seems like there was a pause. John finishes his sip of water when he hears this voice, alright, break time is over, now let’s get into Revelation chapter ten.

Revelation 10:1 NASB I saw another strong angel coming down out of heaven, clothed with a cloud; and the rainbow was upon his head, and his face was like the sun, and his feet like pillars of fire;

  • I saw another strong angel coming down out of heaven, “ NASB

    In Revelation nine, John saw the fifth angel blowing his trumpet. The announcement was the stinging locusts.

    The sixth angel sounded and a voice was heard instructing that angel to release the four angels bound in the Euphrates. The NIRV translation says they were set free to kill a third of the remaining population. Since the judgment from God has begun, there has been an onslaught of death. These four killer angels have help from two million mounted Calvary. Rev. 9:17 begins the descriptions and it ends with verses 18 and 19, as it tells us of their tails, which were like snakes that actually bite.

  • clothed with a cloud; and the rainbow was upon his head, and his face was like the sun, and his feet like pillars of fire;” NIRV

    We were not given a description of the previous two angels that had come to blow their announcing trumpets, but NOW we are. That is curious. Perhaps it would be best to keep in mind that this entire Book is a Revelation of Jesus Christ.

    • Clothed with a cloud.”

      Revelation 1:7 tells us that He is coming with the clouds; in Revelation 14:14 He (Jesus) is sitting on the clouds; In Exodus 16:10, there, in the desert, the glory of the LORD appeared in the cloud; and finally, in Psalms 97:2 King David says that clouds and thick darkness surround him.

    • the rainbow was upon his head”

      From Revelation 4:2,3 John describes looking into heaven. There in front of me was a throne in heaven with someone sitting on it. The One who sat there shone like jewels. Around the throne was a rainbow that looked like an emerald.

      And from Ezekiel 1:28 NirV we learn that “The glow around him looked like a rainbow in the clouds on a rainy day. That’s what the glory of the LORD looked like.”

    • “ his face was like the sun”

      Revelation 1:16 already told us that His face shone like the sun; Matthew 17:2 informs us that He was transfigured before them and His face shone as the sun.

    • “ and his feet like pillars of fire.”

      Revelation 1:15 And His feet were like burnished brass having been fired in a furnace.

      While I think it is important to use previously accepted evidence, for the Jew, going back to the origins – the OT, might be better.

      Daniel 10:6 His body also was like beryl, his face had the appearance of lightning, his eyes were like flaming torches, his arms and feet like the gleam of polished bronze,

      The idea behind using Daniel’s words are that burnished bronze, may in fact, give the appearance of fire. 

      Ezekiel saw the Lord and described Him using terminology that included both burnished bronze and fire.

      Ezekiel 1:27 Then I noticed from the appearance of His loins and upward something like glowing metal that looked like fire all around within it, and from the appearance of His loins and downward I saw something like fire; and there was a radiance around Him.

Why give you all this information?

Because of two things:

1. When I opened The Ultimate Cross-Reference Treasury I encountered a comment. That commentary said, This angel is not, and cannot be, our Lord himself. Such a supposition would, it seems to me, entirely break through the consistency of apocalyptic analogy.” When I saw this my attention immediately was drawn to four words, “it seems to me.” This is something I would say, especially if I am not positive about which answer to give you, the reader. At a point like this, I have hashed out why any of several choices could be a reasonable response, and pointed out why I thought at least one would be the strongest contender for your attention; this, of course, is an attempt at leaving the Holy Spirit to guide you as you make an intelligent decision for yourself. Seeing these words it seems to me,” told me that the commentator was NOT sure.

2. The second component of critical thought, which I immediately applied to the commentary, is to disregard all comments until I cannot ascertain what scripture is trying to tell me after I have looked at the context; considered the origins of the simplest of words making up the sentence and/or paragraph; and, I have analyzed what I see with comparative passages, such as I have done above.

What is my takeaway from all this?

Aside from rarely take anything at face value, I researched the scriptural evidence to prove whether Revelation 10:1 points to Jesus or not, and I have concluded that we are, without a doubt, looking at Jesus Christ.

Wow, so much for verse one. Moving on.

Revelation 10:2 NASB “and he had in his hand a little book which was open. He placed his right foot on the sea and his left on the land;”

This word for book is unusual, as it is the Greek word bibliaridion and is only found in the Revelation. It means a little scroll

As far as I am concerned this is evidence that the entirety of the Bible is Jewish in its driving force and thought. The idea that God would hand a man a scroll is nothing new and therefore familiar to the Jewish readers – John’s primary audience.

Ezekiel 2:9 NASB Then I looked, and behold, a hand was extended to me; and lo, a scroll was in it.

Go just a bit further in Ezekiel and you will find him eating a scroll.

Ezekiel 3:1-3 NASB Then He said to me, “Son of man, eat what you find; eat this scroll, and go, speak to the house of Israel.” (2) So I opened my mouth, and He fed me this scroll. (3) He said to me, “Son of man, feed your stomach and fill your body with this scroll which I am giving you.” Then I ate it, and it was sweet as honey in my mouth.

Momentarily we will see this same action in Revelation 10:8, 9. The actions are almost word for word. We will tear this apart shortly, but not here.

NASB Then the voice which I heard from heaven, I heard again speaking with me, and saying, “Go, take the book which is open in the hand of the angel who stands on the sea and on the land.” (9) So I went to the angel, telling him to give me the little book. And he *said to me, “Take it and eat it; it will make your stomach bitter, but in your mouth, it will be sweet as honey.”

This is Jesus and we defined why just moments ago. At this point, Jesus roars like the Lion that he is.

Revelation 10:3-4 AMP “And he shouted with a loud voice like the roaring of a lion, and when he had shouted, the seven thunders gave voice and uttered their message in distinct words. (4) And when the seven thunders had spoken (sounded), I was going to write [it down], but I heard a voice from heaven saying, Seal up what the seven thunders have said! Do not write it down!

John understood what they said, but he was NOT allowed to share the words. Habakkuk has a similar theme, but Habakkuk was instructed to write it down with the intent of sharing those words.

Habakkuk 2:2-3 NASB Then the LORD answered me and said, “Record the vision And inscribe it on tablets, That the one who reads it may run. (3) “For the vision is yet for the appointed time; It hastens toward the goal and it will not fail. Though it tarries, wait for it; For it will certainly come, it will not delay.

Pay attention to the phrase “that the one who reads it may run.” May run” is one Hebrew word rûts. It also means to break down, or to divide speedily.

Do you realize this is exactly what we are doing when we read with intent?

Daniel, in speaking about the entirety of time, which includes this amazingly long pause we have been living in that leads up to the seventieth week also speaks of sealing the vision.

Daniel 9:24 NASB “Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up the vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy place.

The context of Daniel’s vision speaks of:

  • finishing the transgression,

  • making an end of sin,

  • to make atonement for iniquity,

  • to bring in everlasting righteousness,

  • to seal up the vision,

  • and to anoint the most holy place.

Have these things happened?

Without thinking I said an adamant NO. No one heard me voicing my opinion and so I added, and they will not happen until the end of the seven-year period when Jesus comes back as the warring Messiah. Thankfully I slowed down a moment and gave this some thought.

On the cross Jesus said, it is finished. 

What was finished?

Our standard religious response is to say, the law; and that is not entirely wrong, but there was more, specifically, the end of transgression

Transgression, according to Webster’s dictionary, means The act of passing over (through ignorance) or going beyond the bounds of any law or rule of moral duty.

Look at what Colossians chapter two says.

Colossians 2:13-15 CEV “You were dead because you were sinful and were not God’s people. But God let Christ make you alive when he forgave all our sinsGod wiped out the charges that were against us for disobeying the Law of Moses. He took them away and nailed them to the cross. There Christ defeated all powers and forces. He let the whole world see them being led away as prisoners when he celebrated his victory.

Romans chapter three speaks about how the Law points out sin and how God makes us righteous through faith.

Romans 3:20-22 CEV God doesn’t accept people simply because they obey the Law. No, indeed! All the Law does is to point out our sin. Now we see how God does make us acceptable to him. The Law and the Prophets tell how we become acceptable, and it isn’t by obeying the Law of Moses. God treats everyone alike. He accepts people only because they have faith in Jesus Christ.

Romans 11:27 refers to a time when He will forgive Israel’s sins.


Do you really think this only happens after the time of wrath?

Isaiah 60:21 NLT All your people will be righteous. They will possess their land forever, for I will plant them there with my own hands in order to bring myself glory.

As you analyze Isaiah 60:21 can you see that the phrase “your people” could mean both Israel and those who have come into the family. Although Israel currently possesses a portion of the land God promised, there is a day coming when this humanly impractical statement will be fulfilled, and that will come at the end of the seven years.

In Romans 5 we are told that righteousness will reign through that One, Jesus Christ.

Romans 5:17-19 NASB For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ. (18) So then as through one transgression there resulted in condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted in the justification of life to all men. (19) For as through the one man’s disobedience, the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One, the many will be made righteous.

Daniel 12 indicates that the prophet was to seal the book for a time specific; the time of the end, to which we have arrived.

Daniel 12:4 NASB “But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the end of time; many will go back and forth, and knowledge will increase.”

All I have to do is to look at Daniel 12:1 to answer the next question.

What end is He talking about?

The one associated with Israel becoming a nation. 

Dr. J. Vernon McGee stated, “These prophecies were to be sealed until “the time of the end.” This does not mean the end of time but refers to that definite period of time which in the Book of Daniel is the Seventieth Week.

Assuming you understand that seventy weeks of years were decreed and that only sixty-nine of those weeks have been accounted for, that leaves only the seventieth week of years. Within that time period, the wrath of God is poured out upon the earth; that has not happened yet. But think about it, during this gap between the sixty-ninth and the seventieth year Israel became a nation. Jesus told us that this generation would not pass away before the end comes. The intelligent realize that we, the church, are living on borrowed time.

Daniel 12:1 NASB “Now at that time Michael, the great prince who stands guard over the sons of your people will arise. And there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time; and at that time your people, everyone who is found written in the book, will be rescued.

The phrase “at that time your people, everyone who is found written in the book, will be rescued,” is talking about the church. Don’t try to get exclusionary here, because this includes those Jews who have come to accept Christ as the Messiah.

A couple of questions.

How do you the reader know if the Holy Spirit is permitting us to read and understand the writings of Daniel?

If I had not mentioned one of the biggest clues – Israel becoming a nation (again,) how would you determine that we were finally at the end of this journey?

The Lord, speaking to Israel, points out that their ways and actions have made the “vision of all” to become like the words of a book that is sealed. These would not be good words to hear.

Isaiah 29:10-14 KJV “For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered. (11) And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed: (12) And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned. (13) Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honor me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men: (14) Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvelous work among this people, even a marvelous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.”

Paul, spoke of a mystery, so are we still wallowing in this lack of knowing?

In Romans 11:25 Paul reminds the reader that there certainly was a mystery. In the letter to the church at  Colossi, he acknowledges that the mystery, which has been hidden for ages, is now made manifest to His saints. By the time he writes the letter to the church in Ephesus, (Ephesians 1:9) he is now telling the church that the Spirit has made known the mystery.

As you noticed Daniel was told to seal up the book, and yet we read it.

Are you aware that the book of Daniel is one that the Jews are NOT allowed to read?

Could you then say that the book is still sealed for many?

One of my pastors told me, “no one can understand the Revelation or the prophetic books, like Daniel.” Is it possible that the book of Daniel is stilled sealed in his mind? Did you pay attention when Daniel 12:4 stated that knowledge will be increased. 

I feel like this has happened to me and I have an insatiable appetite for the prophetic.

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