Revelation 20 does not answer this question, what became of the fallen angels?


 Before we move on, I need to talk about something that is bothering me. What became of the fallen angels?

Revelation 20 does NOT answer the question, although some think it does.

Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time.”
(R
evelation 20:1-3 NASB)

A thousand years later.

When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison, and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore.”
(
Revelation 20:7-8 NASB)

Pastor Don Stewart refers to Rev 20:10 when he says, “The lake of fire has been prepared for the devil and his evil angels.” The problem is, I see no reference to the fallen angels, unless you are foolish enough to think that the word “they” includes more than what is listed in the passage.

Just what exactly does verse 10 tell us?

And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
(Revelation 20:10 NASB)

It tells us that only three persons are indicated, the devil, the beast (which is the antichrist,) and the false prophet. To go beyond that without substantiating evidence is pure conjecture

So, where then are the fallen angels?

The short book of Jude tells us in verse six.

that those that did not keep their domain have been kept in eternal bonds under darkness, where they await judgment of the great day.”

There is only one great day, and that is the day on which the white throne judgment takes place. Unfortunately, many of us believe this verse only applies to those angels who somehow had sex with the women and produced the Nephalim.

Also, I have nothing to suggest that this indicates all the angels, and the word domain seems to cry out for definition.

If the statement applied to all the angels, what demon horde has been carrying out Satan’s orders and manipulating the world since then?

Satan, being a solitary unit could not possibly torture everyone at the same time, only God can do that.

In the book of Job, chapter four tells us that God charges them with error.

He puts no trust even in His servants; And against His angels He charges error. ‘How much more those who dwell in houses of clay, Whose foundation is in the dust, Who are crushed before the moth!” (Job 4:18-19 NASB)

Why would God charge the angels with an error unless an error was committed? 

He wouldn’t. We don’t expect an angel to “sin.”

The apostle Peter validates what Jude conveys.

For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment;
(2 Peter 2:4 NASB)

Again, this does not tell us that ALL of the fallen have been condemned to hell, and since Satan has been dancing upon the heads of believers all over the earth, we know that there are still an uncountable number of angels following Satan’s lead.
In Matthew chapter eight, there is an encounter with demons – fallen angels who had possessed a man. The demons spoke to Jesus and said, “Have You come here to torment us before the time?”

When He came to the other side, into the country of the Gadarenes, two men who were demon-possessed met Him as they were coming out of the tombs. They were so extremely violent that no one could pass by that way. And they cried out, saying, “What business do we have with each other, Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time?” (Matthew 8:28-29 NASB)

Torment is the Gk word basanizō and means torture, torment, to vex with grievous pains (of body or mind.)

Obviously, they were aware that their time was coming. The phrase, “the time?” is the Greek word kairos. It means a fixed and definite time, the time when things are brought to crisis, or the decisive epoch waited for.

These demons knew that there was an appointed time and were content to wait for it. One of the most significant issues we, as believers, face is when this appointed time will come. As I watch, not only are events unfolding, but I am hearing the globalists tell us that the time has come for their great reset and how they will make it happen.

If I wanted to do an adequate search for angels, I might have to expand my vocabulary because the phrase “the sons of God” also references angels. One of the prominent places we find this is in Genesis 6 where the chapter conveys the idea of angels breeding with humans. (There is much controversy over this, but maybe it is time for you to get over the shock.)

that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. (Genesis 6:2 NASB)

Beautiful is the Hebrew word tob. It means pleasant, agreeable, good, and beneficial. Webster’s dictionary defines beneficial as: Advantageous; useful; profitable; contributing to a valuable end

Ah, but what was that end?

The creation of a race of Hybrid humans that would destroy the gene pool and end God’s plan of redemption through mankind.

Why do you think God had to have this conversation with us?

These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God. (Genesis 6:9 KJV)

It sounds so benign and innocent, but it is not. We are told that they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.

Took is the Hebrew word lâqach and means to fetch, lay hold of, seize, acquire, snatch, and take away.

There was no love, no romance, and these women were merely taken and used to propagate this new, corrupted breed. When you examine the words used to define Noah, you get,

Perfect. The mind conjures up images of Jesus, who never sinned, even when He intentionally made a whip and drove the sellers and money changers out of the temple courts. No other man stands up to Jesus’ image. The truth is, we know little about Noah. He followed God’s lead and built the ark, having no concept of rain and knowing that this vessel was much too far to move to the ocean. We have two things that are telling about the man, and that is the fact that he preached righteousness to those who would listen; no one received his message, and we are shown that he knew how to make a sacrifice to the Lord when the floodwaters receded.

In most translations, the Hebrew word used here and defined as perfect is tâmı̂ym.  It conveys the idea that the generations of Noah were whole, sound, and unimpaired.

While we might want to brag about some descendant who signed a founding document or saved hundreds from invaders, these words don’t tell us that; they tell us his generations had no disability – they were not impaired. Ah, but by what?

The Word Study Dictionary tells us the word is “an adjective meaning blameless, complete; and, in over half of its occurrences, it describes an animal to be sacrificed to the Lord,”

Why would God use a word that describes a lamb that was to be intensely scrutinized for any flaw? Flaws, by the way, would EXCLUDE that lamb from being used as a sacrifice.

Was Noah sacrificed?

No, but his lineage was scrutinized by God to find out if these fallen angels had polluted Noah’s genetics or their wives. But, of course, the sad part of this conversation is the religious zealots who are screaming right now about how foolish my assertions are.

Really, what is the context of Genesis chapter six?

The context has everything to do with fallen angels and the arrival of the Nephalim through the rape of women.

The story’s details in Genesis six tell us that almost every genetic line on earth had become infiltrated and polluted, except for Noah’s family and the families of these young ladies that Noah’s sons chose.

Genesis six also tells us that the attempt to corrupt the human lineage continued after the flood. That can mean only one thing, that the fallen angels were unaffected by the flood and that they tried it again with Noah’s descendants.

The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. (Genesis 6:4 NASB)

According to the Word Study Dictionary, the word came reads in this manner. It is used with the preposition ’el and means to have intercourse. There are two examples of this, and Genesis 6:4 is one of them.

After what?

The flood wiped out all air-breathing land mammals on earth, except for Noah’s extended family. With no place to land, birds would have died from exhaustion.

So, what did I manage to determine about angels and the fate of the fallen?

With statements from the demons like, “have you come here to torment us before the time,” I can ascertain that,

  • They already know their fate.

    There is no book of life for them. The angels were created to be messengers for God and the followers of Christ. To break rank and do their own thing or follow after Satan was unthinkable. I can only assume these boundaries were set up when this relationship was initiated.

  • The NASB, like many others, used the term torment.

    In actuality, the word torment leans toward torture or vexation with grievous pains, and they knew it was coming.

  • The Revelation does not tell us anything about the fate of the fallen angels.

    It should not be that much trouble to include them in the narrative about being thrown into hell alongside Satan. Since the demons brought up the subject and demonstrated their knowledge and acceptance of said torment, then, as I said above, we can ascertain that the angels will stand before that same white throne, be judged, and cast into eternal torment. Consider that I have pointed out how Matthew 25 demonstrates mercy being given to some. The fact that the “demons” understand their fate tells us that NO mercy is available to them.

  • God will hold the fallen angels guilty for their foolish choices.

    The religious assumption is that angels are merely robots that only do what God tells them. The problem with that thinking is; that first, you seem to forget that Lucifer is an angel and led a rebellion against God and His throne. Secondly, Lucifer/Satan was able to deceive one-third of the angels into following his madness. It is this, above all else, that tells us that angels have free will to serve with loyalty or not.

    … And against His angels He charges error.” (Job 4:18 NASB)

    Jude tells us that those who participated in the Genesis 6 orgy are locked away,

    And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day,” (Jude 1:6 NASB)

    Maybe it is not so much that an angel could turn their back on God, but more in how they committed such an act. Think about what they did, they seized humans, made in God’s image, with the sole purpose of destroying those beings, all of them, and it almost worked.

If you are perplexed why I included the Nephalim narrative of Genesis 6, this is one of the worst and most apparent indiscretions that we are aware of when it comes to fallen angels – or demons, if you wish. Genesis 6:4 indicates that their efforts to destroy anything that looked like God continued after the flood. So, whether they are invading your physical human space or tormenting your life otherwise, they are real and active. If they don’t control you, I can guarantee you that they control that other person who walks around without the protection of the Holy Spirit that lives inside of the believer.

I am telling you, you need Jesus.

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God’s people and the beloved city, are surrounded. Revelation 20:9-15.


 The defeat of Satan.

I would guess that many of you thought this would never happen; well, it will. Our confidence concerning this comes from the scriptures, all of which have proven that God is faithful to His word; and we happen to be looking at an aspect of that Word.

For the followers of Christ – those actively waiting for Him, the catching away of the church will happen any day now; at that point in time, Satan will no longer be an issue. That fallen angel, with his annoying ways, will no longer give those of us in Christ any more trouble.

On the other hand, if you are one of those who have to try and live through the seven years of God’s wrath, “they,” will, within a short period of time, be coming for you to kill you.

I can hear some of you saying, Hey, I have sat in church on occasions and I am confident that I deserve to be called a Christian. Because of that, I am sure that I will be gathered up with the church when the rapture comes. If you don’t want to believe this can happen, then look at this.

“Then the kingdom of heaven will be comparable to ten virgins, who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. (2) “Five of them were foolish, and five were prudent. (3) “For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them, (4) but the prudent took oil in flasks along with their lamps. (5) “Now while the bridegroom was delaying, they all got drowsy and began to sleep. (6) “But at midnight there was a shout, ‘Behold, the bridegroom! Come out to meet him.’ (7) “Then all those virgins rose and trimmed their lamps. (8) “The foolish said to the prudent, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps, are going out.’ (9) “But the prudent answered, ‘No, there will not be enough for us and you too; go instead to the dealers and buy some for yourselves.’ (10) “And while they were going away to make the purchase, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding feast, and the door was shut. (11) “Later the other virgins also came, saying, ‘Lord, lord, open up for us.’ (12) “But he answered, ‘Truly I say to you, I do not know you.‘ (13) “Be on the alert then, for you do not know the day nor the hour.” Matthew 25:1-13 NASB

If you paid attention, then you would have noticed that they were all virgins, and yet 50% did not get into the party.

  • As an analogy, you might think that this conveys that they were good Jewish girls and pure of heart. Apparently, that is not the case.

    The term virgins also express that this is a young woman who has never had sexual relations with a man, and therefore marriageable in the Jewish community. While this tells us that she obeyed her father’s rules, it does not tell us about the quality of the heart.

  • Verse 2 tells us that five of them were foolish. This is explained in verses three and four.

    “For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them, (4) but the prudent took oil in flasks along with their lamps.”

    Foolish is the Gk word mo-ros’ and means dull or stupid.

    Prudent is the Greek word phronimos. It means to be intelligent, wise, prudent, i.e. mindful of one’s interests.

  • From verse five. “…while the bridegroom was delaying, they all got drowsy and began to sleep.”

    God does not see this as a negative; but while five were mindful to take extra oil with them, five were lazy and did not care anymore.

  • If you think they were such precious young ladies, then pay attention to what verse eight conveys from the Contemporary English Version.

    The foolish ones said to the others, “Let us have some of your oil! Our lamps are going out.”

    All of a sudden they are demanding oil, as though the world owes them something.

Who can I equate this to?

Those who, like an acquaintance of mine, was inclined to tell me, that I was wasting my time and others by saying that Jesus was coming back soon.

Many of us see the ten virgins as an analogy of the church.

If that is correct, then we are looking at fifty percent of the “so-called” church, acting like that brother in Christ who chooses to berate anybody who is a proponent for the soon coming of Christ for His bride. (This concept could be mine alone; but what if I am right? Are you looking for Jesus or are you being dull and stupid? )

My advice to you, in whatever dire strait you find yourself in, is to hold tightly to Jesus Christ for He is your faith and hope for a future with the Father.

The reality is that we are NOT going back to normal, whatever that looks like for you. Those who gather at the World Economic Forum have done their damage and created the atmosphere to bring about their openly stated New World Order. Ukraine, Lebanon, and others are already having serious food shortages. It will not be long until people will be coming after the Christians, to kill them, partially because many of us have stood against these foolish global dominance efforts. So in effect, the end, as far as your life among the heathen, will come quickly for many.

In the last post, we covered Revelation 20, verses seven and eight.

Let’s pick up from there and move forward.

When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison, and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore. (Revelation 20:7-8 NASB)

These people – the nations, will have heard and chosen to ignore, the same message that brought many of us to a relationship with Jesus Christ.

He will fool the countries of Gog and Magog, which are at the far ends of the earth, and their people will follow him into battle. They will have as many followers as there are grains of sand along the beach, (Revelation 20:8 CEV)

Immediately my mind says here are some familiar names, so what is the relationship to the Old Testament?

In looking at the children of Israel (Jacob), there is an allusion to Reuben, but the allusion ends almost as quickly as it comes, and the father of Gog, we are told, is Joel.

Suddenly, I am aware that I have never paid attention to this Joel and have no idea who he is.

Alright, who fathered Joel?

The Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown Commentary gives us this.

Now the sons of Reuben — In proceeding to give this genealogy, the sacred historian states, in a parenthesis (1Ch_5:11Ch_5:2), the reason why it was not placed first, as Reuben was the oldest son of Jacob. The birthright, which by a foul crime he had forfeited, implied not only dominion, but a double portion (Deu_21:17); and both of these were transferred to Joseph,”

“That foul crime,” as JFB, side steps, was to take one of his father’s concubines to bed.

What if Joel was the product of that indiscretion?

The answer lies in pure speculation, so we will leave that hanging there.

Matthew Poole’s commentary claims that Joel was the son of Hanoch, Reuben’s first-born, or Carmi. Again, we have NO scriptural evidence. It is possible that the answer lies in Jewish history, but some would call that extra-biblical information and disregard it immediately.

What is evident, is that Joel, NOT the prophet, was of the lineage through Reuben and that he was the father of Shemaiah, Gog, and Shimei.

The one that catches our attention is Gog.

Why do I point out that Gog is a descendant of Reuben? We, of a religious bent, tend to think that Jacob was a Pentecostal. I am being facetious to make a point. There were NO Jews as yet, and certainly NO organized religion that we can associate with Jacob.

In fairness, Jacob was a descendant of Abraham, a man with whom God spoke and made a covenant. And yet, no one should be able to declare that Abraham lived under the tenants of organized religion. Abraham and any of his descendants that followed in his path became aware of ‘ĕlôhı̂ym, the Supreme God and the plural of ‘ĕlôahh. So Abraham, and every descendant he could speak to, was introduced to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit through this plural God, ĕlôhı̂ym.

We can’t call them Jews at this point in the study, as the name Jew, a derivative of Judah, did not get attributed to them until long after the exit from Egypt, and that is still to come. Since most people of this time period primarily passed along their culture and history through oral tradition, then it is safe to assume that Jacob would have known of ĕlôhı̂ym and the covenant this Supreme God made with Abraham.

What we struggle to see, is how this knowledge changed Jacob’s life or anyone else’s. If I based my inclinations as to how they were directed, on the family of Jacob, then his sons lose me, as they tried to kill their brother Joseph; murdered an entire community over how their king’s son treated their sister, Dinah; they lied repeatedly; and, Reuben apparently chose to ignore familial boundaries and had sex with one of his father’s concubine.

So, if I am considering a descendant named Gog, and trying to sort out what motivates this man’s eventual actions, then how much of Abraham’s moral fiber and character can still be attributed to this Gog character?

Not much and following this family’s patterns demonstrate that.

Is this Gog, the son of Joel, the same Gog that we see in Revelation 20?

I want to say, get real. There is no way this is physically the same person, but the spirit may be.

One last look at Revelation 20:8.

He will go out to trick the nations in all the earth, the nations known as Gog and Magog. Satan will gather the people for battle. There will be more people than anyone can count, like sand on the seashore. (Revelation 20:8 ERV)

  • He” is Satan.

  • Will go out to trick the nations in all the earth”

    Deceive or trick, it does not matter. It is the Greek word planaō and means to roam from safety or truth. It also means to go astray or wander in your mind.

    This statement implies that these people are at least aware of the truth. If it is true that Satan wants you to wander in your mind, then how do you fight that?

    You get your spirit firmly planted in the Word of God.

  • “ the nations known as Gog and Magog.”

    We are talking about the descendants of Gog and Magog. One of the confusing things for us, in this modern age, is that we are familiar with Magog as a region. Ah, but all these nations, primarily North of Turkey, began as a person, a descendant of Noah’s sons then became a people group, and, in time, enemies of Israel. (As an interesting side note, Magog sits in a region that was known as the Scythians. To describe these people makes me think of Genghis Khan or the Vikings, as they were nothing short of feared and vicious horsemen. Fortunately, God won’t allow us to revert back to being brutal savages, as we are dealing with a time in which there will be peace.)

    The way science and industry are going you might think Star Trek could be a reality. That thought process quickly comes to a halt when you consider all the damage that God does to the earth during the seven-year period. Add to that the fact that the Bible indicates He will burn up the earth and the heavens with fire and start over. Since humans (let’s spice this up and call them mortals,) will be living on the earth, right up to the great white throne, then this burning would toast them all and prematurely end the story; so I am not clear when that refurbishing takes place. (Just in case you think I relish the mistaken idea that everyone that stands before the great white throne goes to hell, Matthew 25 plainly indicates that some, called sheep, gain entrance into the eternal kingdom. If this is true and it is, then our sadistic theology is broken, and there is no logical reason to have such a throne, as God could merely just throw away those He seemingly hates.) What is clear to me, is that what we consider technological advancement does not fit into God’s plan.

An uncountable number of people have now come against God.

Revelation 20:9 NASB And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them.

Image that, the camaraderie, the strange smiles of agreement, and that I really don’t know why I am here kind of look. Israel fronts the sea on one side, so as best they can, they have surrounded the city of God, the city of Gold. You might think that there would be an immediate sense of futility. Then the question, is everybody here? Oh, good. And fire comes down from heaven and devours them. Devour is the Greek word katesthiō and means to eat down.

Revelation 20:10 NLT  Then the devil, who had deceived them, was thrown into the fiery lake of burning sulfur, joining the beast and the false prophet. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

All those that attacked the city; the freshly dead, they just seem to lie there quietly with no thought. Meanwhile, Satan is grabbed without any fanfare and thrown into the lake of fire. There he joins the false prophet and the antichrist character, which is called the beast, for an eternal bath in fiery torment; and yes, it says “they” implying that Satan is also tormented, forever.

The NASB entitles this next section,

Judgment Before the Great White Throne

Revelation 20:11 NASB Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them.

Hold on for a second, something just changed and I cannot remember anyone talking about this. Ignore the great white throne for a minute, because earth and heaven just fled away from the presence of Him who is sitting upon it.

  • Him who sat upon it,”

    Our immediate response, if anybody were to ask, is that it is God. That is, in part correct, but in spite of the fact that Scripture repeatedly points out that ALL judgment has been handed over to the Son, we rarely ever say IT’S JESUS.

  • from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them.”

    The Moffatt translation finishes this sentence by saying, “no more to be found.”

    We assumed that this great white throne would sit on the plains of Megiddo or on some high hill so that everyone could see. Now, I think it is sitting in the sky and is large enough for everyone to see. To be honest, I can see how this should be nightmarish for some.

    But we have one more problem, and it is one that seems to solve many others, as the sky, as we know it, along with the earth, disappear.

      • Where did all the dead go?

      • Where did all the people, we thought were going to be standing before the great throne, get off to?

      • Where did He put Holy City?

      • And, how do you make the sky disappear?

I have, for some time, been trying to explain that almost everything in scripture is the polar opposite of what you were taught. Only the dead come before the throne, and so these “dead” are souls that are alive. God can do anything so having these souls stand before Him, while the earth is gone, is nothing. The quantity of dead or the era in which they died means nothing. Having been bypassed in the rapture of the church, all those years earlier, you would think there was no hope for them. But Matthew’s account demonstrates that JESUS looked in those books to see if any did good works, and He found some. Bizarre as it seems, those He found all had their names written in the book of life, and they were granted life in the eternal kingdom. Were they changed, so that they don’t bring their damaged life in with them? Of course, they were; and scripture tells us so.

Revelation 20:12 GW  I saw the dead, both important and unimportant people, standing in front of the throne. Books were opened, including the Book of Life. The dead were judged on the basis of what they had done, as recorded in the books.

Almost every translation says something similar, “ The dead were judged on the basis of what they had done, as recorded in the books.” This is NOT what they teach you in Sunday school.

The dead came from everywhere. We, only moments ago, talked about the uncountable number that Satan deceived, but of those, who under radio silence, had their war vessel shot out from under them during WW11. Survivors had to jump into the sea and then had to watch as the sharks picked off many of the survivors. Those sharks scattered their remains across the seafloor where the currents move their cells across thousands of miles. You should get my point, God only needs one cell to rebuild a body if He needs it.

Revelation 20:13 GW  The sea gave up its dead. Death and hell gave up their dead. People were judged based on what they had done.

Dead from everywhere are gathered, and judged based upon what they had done. Some will ask, what do I have to do? Well, Jesus explained that when He told them,

‘For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in; naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.’ (Matthew 25:35-36 NASB)

And finally, death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. What does that mean? It means that the fear of death and hades were also eliminated, quite possibly to never be spoken of again. That would be nice.

Revelation 20:14 NASB Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.

What is the first death?

Perhaps this is it.

The LORD God commanded the man, saying, “From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.” (Genesis 2:16-17 NASB)

They could not see it, but it happened, and death happened all around them. It was in some ways a slow death, in other ways, like in the spirit of the couple, it was instantaneous and they knew it, as the ease of communication with the Father ended abruptly.

This last verse of Revelation 20 is almost always read with an ominous tone.

Revelation 20:15 NASB And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

No followers of Christ were there, even those who wanted to spectate. This crowd consists only of the dead. Most, and understandably so, would assume that they were the dead in spirit, not having a relationship with Jesus. The problem with that kind of thinking is that we cannot see the heart where God looks.

And there is one other thing, we constantly forget that the law of God is written upon every heart. That law motivates us to do good, although it is clear that many choose not to follow that law.

We can label it deeds or works, but God sees the motive that we seem to miss.

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When the thousand-years have expired. Revelation 20:7-8.


 When Revelation 19 ended we were looking at the previously martyred saints, now seated on thrones, ruling over a millennial kingdom in which Satan’s influence and voice can only be heard through the recollections of those from the nations who have survived.

It is possible that those who are now sitting as judges, are in a sense, ruling with Christ?

It is possible that some of these survivors, over which the martyred saints now sit in judgment, may have played a role in the murder of those same saints, therefore, this position of judgment seems appropriate. This thought seems to work, as ALL judgment was given to the Son because He willingly put Himself on that cross in order to redeem humanity.

Did you know you had been redeemed?

While many religious folks have been angrily telling you that you are a sinner – which we undoubtedly are, many have added that you are going to hell. The problem is they are NOT our judges and don’t truly know the answer as to where you get to spend your eternity. Not being a good gambler I prefer not to play the odds and have, therefore, accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and savior. Because of that decision, I do not have to stumble around with no hope and fear the ravages of hell. I will spend eternity with the Father, all because I, like you, have been redeemed.

So, Satan will have no influence over the nations during the millennial reign, because he is captive and restrained during that time.

Does this mean that people from among the nations will not exhibit sinful behaviors?

Hardly, for these people still have the freedom of choice; and though the opportunity to change continues to be available it is obvious that far too many do not avail themselves of that “change” by submitting themselves to Yahshua, as we believers did. We have scriptural evidence for this.

and nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.
(Revelation 21:27 NASB)

The nations, by coming to Jesus, will become changed just as we have, and they too will find their names in the book of life.

Let me add something to this introduction. We have little that defines what transpires during these thousand years.

  • Jesus Christ, alongside the Father, will dwell among them, and they shall be His people. (Revelation 21:3 NASB)

    This tends to lean toward the Jewish community, but it does not exclude the believers.

  • He will wipe away every tear from their eyes;

    and there will no longer be any death;

    there will no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away.” (Revelation 21:4 NASB)

    The statement “the first things have passed away” probably makes no sense to most; initially, it made no sense to me. But it does make sense when you read it from a translation like the Contemporary English Version. 

    He will wipe all tears from their eyes, and there will be no more death, suffering, crying, or pain. These things of the past are gone forever.” (Revelation 21:4 CEV)

  • He will judge between many peoples And render decisions for mighty, distant nations. Then they will hammer their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning hooks; Nation will not lift up sword against nation, And never again will they train for war.
    (Micah 4:3 NASB)

    If you have chosen to believe the scriptures, then you might recognize Micah 4:3 as evidence of what is to come. Having never experienced eternity myself I have to trust that what I am told is true. Some would shout, who are you building your confidence upon? Well, Jesus of course. He told His disciples what He was going to do and then did just that. To top it off, He came back from the grave as He said He would.

    So, why shouldn’t I believe Him now?

The NASB entitles this next section of Revelation 20,

The defeat of Satan.

Wait a minute, I thought Satan was already taken down and defeated.

I was in the choir of one church I attended and we sang a song that declared, “he’s under my feet, Satan is under my feet.” Strange how some people at that church acted like they were always on top, while others could not hide the fact that they struggled constantly. I found myself wondering, what am I supposed to believe about this because Satan can’t be both, defeated and crushed while continuing to ruin people’s lives, can he?

In Revelation 12:9 we see that Satan, the great dragon, was thrown down. You might think that this was the moment where he was silenced, but no.

“And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world–he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.” (ESV.)

He merely brought his circus sideshow to the earth, where he continues in his futile attempts to overthrow God.

The passage does not explicitly say one-third of the angels, however, Revelation 12:4 implies that this quantity was thrown out with him; and, because stars are an allusion to angels, which we frequently find in scripture. A third of the angels, now angry, was thrown down to earth with him.

Revelation 12:4 ESV “His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she bore her child he might devour it.”

An alternative translation:

And the huge dragon was cast down and out–that age-old serpent, who is called the Devil and Satan, he who is the seducer (deceiver) of all humanity the world over; he was forced out and down to the earth, and his angels were flung out along with him.”(Revelation 12:9 AMP)

Having sent the disciples out to go to people’s homes, they came back rejoicing because the demons complied in the name of Jesus.

Jesus responded to the disciples, to strengthen their faith and perhaps brag a bit, by saying,

I was watching Satan fall from heaven like lightning.” (Luke 10:18 NASB)

Genesis 3:15 is one of those verses that feeds into the Serpent’s defeat.

I will make you and the woman hostile toward each other. I will make your descendants and her descendant hostile toward each other. He will crush your head, and you will bruise his heel.” (GW)

A more common translation reads like this.

And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her Seed; He will bruise your head, and you shall bruise His heel.” (MKJV)

When Genesis 3:15 says, “He” it is referring to Jesus Christ. The woman is Israel.

Enmity is hatred.

Bruise, while a bruise can border on deadly, we typically don’t see it that way. Most of the time, you get a bruise and you move on. This is so much more, as the Hebrew word shuph to gape, snap, break, and lastly, to bruise.

Can you envision the varied ways that Jesus crushed Satan’s head? I will just leave that there.

If Genesis 3:15 is indicative of perpetual warfare, then some of the first shots that Satan fired looked like this.

“”The LORD said, ‘Who will entice Ahab to go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead?’ And one said this while another said that. “Then a spirit came forward and stood before the LORD and said, ‘I will entice him.’ “The LORD said to him, ‘How?’ And he said, ‘I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ Then He said, ‘You are to entice him and also prevail. Go and do so.'” (1 Kings 22:20-22 NASB)

Do you think that this tactic of deception is NOT active now?

Oh, it is, and the most rational of pastors can mislead. I was recently taken aback when my pastor said that there were two books of life, and one of them was “Jesus’” book of life. He made statements indicating that you can be blotted out of the book of life but not Jesus’ book of life. I have covered this subject in previous posts so suffice it to say that the pastor’s assertions were not biblically sound, and, therefore, blatantly wrong.

Where is the harm in what the pastor said?

If it causes those of you that do not take the time to study your Bibles, to stumble, or to maintain a mental image of God that is false, then yes, it is harmful, severe, and entwined in Satan’s goals of deception. Considering the number of people that a famous television/internet pastor can reach, thousands, that could now be replicating the false teachings in otherswhile cultivating an image of God that is NOT true; and, be added to the long list of people who cannot understand the book of Revelation. If you think my assertion is fallacious, then you need to know that these are the result of conversations with church-going people.

So much for my introduction.

Now, consider the definition of defeat.

According to https://www.dictionary.com/browse/defeat, the word defeat means “to overcome in a contest, election, battle; to prevail over; to frustrate; thwart; eliminate or deprive of something expected: to annul; a bringing to naught.

All of these definitions apply, and, by God’s standards, brought Satan to a crashing halt at the cross. At least that is what scripture tells us, but the effect this fallen angel has on our lives seems to say differently. For example, in the book of Job, the cast out Satan, places himself before God, and the righteous angels and God makes no derogatory remarks but restricts what Satan can do to Job.

And a day came when the sons of God came to present themselves before Jehovah. And Satan also came among them. And Jehovah said to Satan, From where do you come? Then Satan answered Jehovah and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. And Jehovah said to Satan, Have you set your heart against My servant Job, because there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and upright man, one who fears God and turns away from evil?” (Job 1:6-8 MKJV)

What are you supposed to believe?

The answer is God. The entirety of what I have been rambling about is God’s plan and a great mystery that will culminate at the Great White Throne. We will get to that throne momentarily. Revelation 19 and a portion of chapter 20, have placed us in the millennial/1000-year reign. While here, there are only a handful of things I can say with confidence that will happen.

Examples are,

  • A form of evangelism takes place, as the leaves of the trees of life are taken to the nations and bring healing;

  • Peace rules the earth during this time but that does not mean that people will stop doing ungodly things;

  • Swords will be made into pruning knives and farming tools;

  • Everyone from the nations will have their own little farm;

  • The nations will be forced to come, once each year, to Jerusalem, to participate in the Feast of Shavuot and bow before God.

  • And, the most peaceful thing that stands out in my mind, is that Satan, will for these 1000 years, be taken out of the equation, and therefore, NOT be the motivating factor in the lives of the nations.

    Allow me to explain something. The Bibles we are studying are a Jewish book. Many of you don’t want to believe that, but it is. As such, the nations, to the Jew, is anyone outside of Judaism. Since we, believers are in Christ and grafted into this Jewish rootstock, we are NOT included in the conversations about the nations that demonstrate bizarre levels of evil during the 1000 years, and all without Satan pushing them to act this way.

    But the fearful, and the unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, will have their part in the Lake burning with fire and brimstone, which is the second death. (Revelation 21:8 MKJV)

So, does the absence of Satan from the 1000-year period, mean that he was defeated by dictionary standards?

If the dictionary is the standard, then yes; but the dictionary only helps us to understand how God may see this. Since crushing one’s head, as we saw in Genesis 3, tends to be deadly and permanent, then this crushing is just a matter of when that happened, or happens.

The cross may have been the turning point, but if that is the case, then why do Satan and his crew, continue to torment people?

The only other point in time, where we see the final removal of, not just Satan, all brokenness related to him, centers around the great white throne.

Revelation 20:7-8 MKJV  “And when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be loosed out of his prison.  (8)  And he will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle. The number of them is as the sand of the sea.”

Did you see a great white throne in this passage?

No, it is not there, but some peculiar things are.

  • …when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be loosed out of his prison.”

    Having had my fair share of battles with this fallen angel, it is disappointing to see him loosed again.

  • “ And he will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth,”

    We are told that the number of people living on the earth, outside of the New Jerusalem, will be like the sand of the sea. These are the same words that God spoke to Abraham about his descendants. You do realize that Ishmael and his offspring are descendants as well.

  • “ Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle.”

    If you know anything about prophesy, then you know that many of us are expecting a huge battle, that involves Gog, Magog, Rosh, a few others, and Israel. In this battle, Israel takes a horrific beating but God sends a firestorm against Gog and kills him on the mountains of Israel.

    And the Word of Jehovah came to me, saying, Son of man, set your face against Gogthe land of Magogthe chief ruler of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal, and prophesy against him. And say, So says the Lord Jehovah: Behold, I am against you, O Gog, the chief ruler of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal. And I will turn you back, and put hooks into your jaws, and I will bring you out, and all your army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed most perfectly, a great assembly with buckler and shield, all of them swordsmen;” (Ezekiel 38:1-4 MKJV)

    It is rather obvious that Gog is a man. Magog is a place but originated as a man’s name, and Rosh is also a place.

    Gog (the prince) of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal.” By Magog is most probably meant the Scythians or Tartars, called so by the Arabian and Syrian writers, and especially the Turks, who were originally natives of Tartary (inhabiting parts of Russia and central and western Siberia); and by Rosh, the Russians, descendants of the ancient inhabitants on the river Araxes or Rosh.” The Ultimate Cross-Reference Treasury.

Don’t you find it interesting to see the same names, once again? You don’t have to answer that.

Something about Revelation 20:7-8 caught my eye.

when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be loosed out of his prison.  (8)  And he will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle. The number of them is as the sand of the sea.”

Suddenly it occurs to me that this quantity of people, as numerous as the sands of the sea, will all be deceived. Now that may not be the case and the fact that we have talked about those leaves providing healing for the nations. There is no way that God will bring about healing without bringing about a change, much like He is going to do with the raptured church. You see, the nations will still have their brokenness, which is most likely genetic thanks to Adam. Don’t think for a second that God would make a broken, sinful human an immortal. That would be like handing the keys to the New Jerusalem to Satan all over again. Adam already did that once, it is NOT happening again.

Add what I just said, to a world of unrepentant people – the nations, and then release Satan with his skill to deceive, and these fools suddenly think they can kill God and take over. How quickly it happens I don’t know, but God consumes the entire lot of them with fire. This moment in time has eliminated ALL those who, we assume, demonstrated opposition to God, both presently – thus freshly dead, and those who have died throughout all time.

Why would I say any of that?

Because in Revelation 20 there are no “living” people standing there before the throne. Now don’t get all hung up on this living / dead distinction, as no one truly dies. Since the soul, made in the image of God, lives on forever; death, then, is only realized by eternal separation from God, through the lake of fire. I happen to believe that Matthew 25, where we see the sheep and goat judgment, is the exact same judgment that we see in Revelation 20.

Is it mandatory to use the same terminology to explain a picture?

No. In Matthew’s account, there is no mention of death; it merely tells us that the nations are brought before Him.

So who did Satan just deceive?

If you said the nations, then, you would be correct. The number of those standing there is ‘like the sand of the sea,” and therefore uncountable. Since Satan has been doing nothing less than deceiving people since humanity showed up, then it makes sense that the population of the dead would increase.

Who else could be standing there?

People who have died since the beginning of time. Since Matthew also shows us the mercy of God, which we don’t see in Revelation 20. In Matthew’s account the sheep, who would have been gathered with the others who are dead, gain entrance into the kingdom. If they are thought of as sinners not worthy of life, then I guess God just gave them a pass. Matthew tells us that it was their good deeds, found in those books.

Far too many make a critical assumption about these standing before the throne. I made that same assumption when I said “This moment in time has eliminated ALL those who demonstrated opposition to God.” The assumption is that they all committed some unforgivable sin and are, therefore, all headed toward the lake of fire. If the dead are judged from the books, not the book of life, then it is safe to assume that those who find mercy in Matthew 25, were also judged by those same books.

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Are there two books of life; one of those being The Lamb’s book of life? A Rebuttal.


The wife and I watched Jack Hibbs, and he was all fired up about our CA Congress and their willingness to murder babies. Near the end of his talk, he evidently said there are two books of life. One is allegedly the Lamb’s book of life. The wife turns and says, what do you think of that? I believe now that it was a good thing that I missed what he said because it would have made me angry. I did manage to tell the wife that I would transcribe what the pastor said and do a study in the morning to see if I could find these multiple books of life that I have never heard of until this day. Here is how that went.

So, Pastor Jack quickly tells the audience that there are two books of life; and one of those books is The Lamb’s book of life. From this book, you cannot get your name blotted out because we belong to Jesus; however, you can get your name blotted out of the book of life.

(To be fair, I found two scriptures that included the Lamb’s book of life, or a derivative, and both are in the Book of the Revelation, which we will pursue momentarily.)

I did a search for the phrase, the book of life. Throughout the bible, and using the NASB, that phrase is only found 7 times.

Here are those verses.

Psalm_69:28  May they be blotted out of the book of life And may they not be recorded with the righteous.

This is King David whining out for justice against his enemies, and so we can exclude this.

Phillipians_4:3  Indeed, true companion, I ask you also to help these women who have shared my struggle in the cause of the gospel, together with Clement also and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the book of life.

Here, Paul, acknowledges that their names were written in the book of life, but primarily based on faith. I have no doubt that they were.

Rev_3:5  ‘He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments, and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

 Revelation 3:5 is bewildering because it says, I will not erase the name of an overcomerI have overcome a few things but was it enough? What is the standard? Perhaps there is NO standard and that is why Jesus came and died on our behalf. None of us would have made it into the kingdom. If you look for the term erase in your Bible, this is the only place it shows up. Try another translation, like the King James, and you get nothing.

 Erase is the Greek word exaleiphō and also means to smear out, obliterate, and wipe away.

Now if you look for the word blot, which seems like the same thing, there are 14 entries. Genesis 6 gives us one of those when it says, “I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land.”

Here, it is a Hebrew word machah, but if effectively means the same thing as the Greek word  exaleiphō.

Well, obviously He did not blot out everyone because He spared Noah and family. Our problem is that we assume He never offered salvation to any others. It took Noah over a hundred years to build this ark and we are told that Noah preached righteousness to all who would listen. Therefore, salvation was offered to anyone who would accept it, and all we see was immediate family.

With verses like Exodus 17:13-14, it is difficult to argue against the possibility that God would blot someone’s name out of the book.

So Joshua overwhelmed Amalek and his people with the edge of the sword. Then the LORD said to Moses, “Write this in a book as a memorial and recite it to Joshua, that I will utterly blot out the memory of Amalek from under heaven.” (Exodus 17:13-14 NASB)

 You get the idea that God was very angry with, not only this man, but a nation named after him; and yet, God only focuses on the man.

Look at this, as it seems to be a clear definition of why someone would be blotted out.

“so that there will not be among you a man or woman, or family or tribe, whose heart turns away today from the LORD our God, to go and serve the gods of those nations; that there will not be among you a root bearing poisonous fruit and wormwood. “It shall be when he hears the words of this curse, that he will boast, saying, ‘I have peace though I walk in the stubbornness of my heart in order to destroy the watered land with the dry.’ “The LORD shall never be willing to forgive him, but rather the anger of the LORD and His jealousy will burn against that man, and every curse which is written in this book will rest on him, and the LORD will blot out his name from under heaven. “Then the LORD will single him out for adversity from all the tribes of Israel, according to all the curses of the covenant which are written in this book of the law.” (Deuteronomy 29:18-21 NASB)

Rev_13:8  All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.

 Revelation 13:8 is not so much about “the book” as it is about those who have enough backbone to refuse the beast, his mark, and his image. The mystery of these people is only enhanced by the fact that their names have been in this book of life before time began.

Since these people, who are resisting the global agenda, did not go up in the rapture, how did they get their names in the book of life? When I attempt to point this out to my “Christian” friends, they are puzzled, mumble out some unfounded response, or get angry. Why angry? Because what we see here defies any standard religious explanations; and, it validates what we see in Matthew 25, where the crowd before the throne is separated into two groups. The group referred to as sheep is granted entrance into the kingdom. I was under the impression that sin was one of those things that kept you from going up in the rapture; if that is the case, these people don’t fit. And yet, this is Jesus giving them entrance. I have only one decent explanation and that is that God’s mercy is greater than anything we can understand.

Rev_17:8  “The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go to destruction. And those who dwell on the earth, whose name has not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, will wonder when they see the beast, that he was and is not and will come.

When the antchrist shows his head, and contrary to Pastor’s like Tom Hughes, I believe that this man will have Muslim roots. Can you think of anybody that has the ear of the world and yet has Muslim roots? I can, former American President Obama does.

The passage says, only those who do not have their names in the book of life will be in awe of this guy. Why make a distinction like that? Perhaps it is because, during the time of wrath, when many will tell you that the Holy Spirt is removed from earth, the Holy Spirit, which leads and guides you into all truth is still here, speaking into the hearts of those left behind and telling them, DO NOT follow this clown.

Rev_20:15  And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

To be honest, this passage annoys me. Not because of its finality, but because it is like a fly trap for people who seem to relish punishment. If you read Revelation 20:12-15, then you wouud know that NONE of those standing there are judged from the book of life, they are judged, according to their deeds, from the other books. I already pointed out how in Exodus, God told Joshua to write Amalek’s name in a book of rememberance. I don’t what these books are but this may give us a clue. By the way, you and I are NOT the judges, so don’t worry about these books. If you must be concerned then make Jesus the Lord over your life and move on.

Rev_21:27  and nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

Revelation 21:27 puzzles many people. The answer lies in the fact that we are looking at the millennial reign of Jesus. During this time, many from the nations have survived, just as many of the Jews have, and are living with the freedom of choice. This freedom allows them to practice their abominations, which is idol worship. The biggest joy I have, is knowing that this time will be one of peace, so your twisted nature will  have no impact on me. But know this, you don’t get to bring your abominations and brokenness into the Holy City. Wow, that sounds hopeless, but it is NOT as there those leaves from the trees of Life, and they can bring healing. This healing is not just a quick fix but an entire mental overhaul and freedom from your brokenness.

If we extend the search to the Lamb’s book of life. There is also a reversal of that phrase in Revelation 13:8 as it reads the book of life of the Lamb. In either case, there is but one example. That information alone should tell you that you are chasing a rabbit trail. With such minimal examples, you should grasp that there is no additional book of life exclusive to Jesus. Therefore, this is most likely not a valid argument.

John, in Revelation 21, starting in verse ten, was shown the Holy City of Jerusalem. So, the conversation has everything to do with New Jerusalem and who is allowed into that city.

“I did not see a temple there. The Lord God All-Powerful and the Lamb were its temple. And the city did not need the sun or the moon. The glory of God was shining on it, and the Lamb was its light. Nations will walk by the light of that city, and kings will bring their riches there. Its gates are always open during the day, and night never comes. The glorious treasures of nations will be brought into the city. But nothing unworthy will be allowed to enter. No one who is dirty-minded or who tells lies will be there. Only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life will be in the city.” (Revelation 21:22-27 CEV)

If you are struggling to understand at what point in time this city shows up, look at the words “Nations will walk by the light of that city.” This can ONLY happen during the millennial kingdom. We have not yet reached the Great White Throne judgment, which is about a thousand years away. And, if you noticed, it says nothing about getting your name into that book or being blotted out, for the names are already established in that book.

Focus on the word established for a moment. When you consider those who go through the seven years of God’s wrath upon the earth, the great push to take the mark, worship the beast – the antichrist, and worship the image of the beast, this DOES NOT happen until 1240 days into the seven-years.

All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain. (Revelation 13:8 NASB)

One of two scenarios has taken place to put these people in this horrid time. First, they were either non-believers or, as Revelation 3 describes, caught off guard when it speaks of the church of Sardis

‘Wake up, and strengthen the things that remain, which were about to die; for I have not found your deeds completed in the sight of My God. ‘So remember what you have received and heard; and keep it, and repent. Therefore if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what hour I will come to you. (Revelation 3:2-3 NASB)

King David said Before my days were ever formed, you had ordained all my days and wrote them in “your book.”

“My frame was not hidden from You, When I was made in secret, And skillfully wrought in the depths of the earth; Your eyes have seen my unformed substance; And in Your book were all written The days that were ordained for me, When as yet there was not one of them.” (Psalms 139:15-16 NASB)

Let’s ponder the reference in Phillipians for a moment.

“I urge Euodia and I urge Syntyche to live in harmony in the Lord. Indeed, true companion, I ask you also to help these women who have shared my struggle in the cause of the gospel, together with Clement also and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the book of life.” (Philippians 4:2-3 NASB)

It is evident that Euodia and Syntyche (Not that it is important, but her name is pronounced soon-too’-khay,) are also followers of Christ and assisted Paul in sharing the gospel. It is Paul’s words that help to define their relationship to Christ and also to Paul. Paul calls them, AND an unnumbered quantity of others, his fellow workers, and get this, he says their names are in the book of life.

Isn’t that strange that all these, being believers with proven relationships to Christ – the Lamb, are not defined as those who have their names in the “lamb’s” book of life?

In Revelation 3:5, Jesus says this in speaking to and about the church in Sardis.

‘He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments, and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels. (Revelation 3:5 NASB)

Did you grasp what He said? 

He is telling you that anyone who overcomes (Since the Revelation is of Jesus, and the first three chapters speak to specific churches that have been gone from us for several thousand years and are, therefore, representative of church ages.) will be clothed in white. He, Jesus, will NOT erase their name from the book of life.

The critical point is that this is narrowed down to individuals and not the entire church. Verses two and three define what the problem was/is.

Wake up! You have only a little strength left, and it is almost gone. So try to become stronger. I have found that you are not completely obeying God. Remember the teaching that you were given and that you heard. Hold firmly to it and turn from your sins. If you don’t wake up, I will come when you least expect it, just as a thief does. (Revelation 3:2-3 CEV)

⦁ You have only a little strength left, and it is almost gone.

⦁ You are not completely obeying God.

⦁ Remember the teaching that you were given and that you heard, and hold firmly to it.

⦁ And turn from your sins.

What happens if they don’t? 

“If you don’t wake up, I will come when you least expect it, just as a thief does.”

The context of a statement like this has everything to do with the catching away of the church.

Since this was spoken to real people, who are now dead, how are we supposed to perceive such an admonition? 

Wake up, remember or rehearse the teachings that speak to Christ’s soon return, and turn from your sins.

Let’s try an alternative search – “of the Lamb,” which will give me other potential answers.

We get things like wrath, blood of, song of, marriage of, wedding supper of, the throne of, and fat of.

Only one verse in the entire Bible refers to the book of the lamb, Revelation 13:8, and we covered that above.

Another possibility is to simply look for the word “book.” There are over 170 references to “book,” but obviously, not all apply to the situation.

The people that were to become Israel compelled Aaron to make the god Moloch for them. I find it interesting that he knew how to do that.

“Then Moses returned to the LORD, and said, “Alas, this people has committed a great sin, and they have made a god of gold for themselves. “But now, if You will forgive their sin–and if not, please blot me out from Your book which You have written!” The LORD said to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.” (Exodus 32:31-33 NASB)

Moses told God to blot his name out of God’s book, which you have written. Yet, God still held those who had sinned responsible and told Moses that He would blot them out of His book.

Why did God NOT kill Aaron or write him out of His book concerning this event?

I don’t have an answer for you aside from the fact that inevitably we  look at the actions and make a judgment that this person is going to hell for that. All the while, God is looking at the heart.

Back to King David.

Sacrifice and meal offering You have not desired; My ears You have opened; Burnt offering and sin offering You have not required. Then I said, “Behold, I come; In the scroll of the book it is written of me. (Psalms 40:6-7 NASB)

Perhaps a little presumptuous, or maybe David had understood that all his days were in this book.

Doesn’t that seem strange when David had a man killed so he could take the man’s wife and then lie about the baby he produced? 

Psa_56:8  Thou tellest my wanderings: put thou my tears into thy bottle: are they not in thy book?

As I worked on this study I was reminded that God assigned things like books of remembrance. Our presumption, then, is that God would not waste space writing about your tears in the book of Life. But there I go thinking like a human again.

Psa_69:28  Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.

Add iniquity to their iniquity, And may they not come into Your righteousness. May they be blotted out of the book of life And may they not be recorded with the righteous. (Psalms 69:27-28 NASB)

David asks God not to record them with the righteous. I do not think this is appropriate, although heartfelt, and I do not believe that God will not honor such a request from us.

Why not? 

Because God is Love and desires, every person comes to a knowledge of Jesus Christ. Want proof?

This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. (1 Timothy 2:3-4 NASB)

An interesting relation to the “book” is found in Revelation 17.

“The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go to destruction. And those who dwell on the earth, whose name has not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, will wonder when they see the beast, that he was and is not and will come. (Revelation 17:8 NASB)

Only the persons whose name is not written in the book of life are amazed when they see the beast. Revelation 17:8 is easier to understand if, where it says, “that he was and is not and will come,” you merely substitute the Islamic Caliphate (This works for me, because the Ottoman Empire was forced -at gun point, to disband and dissolve in 1924. For many years they did, but then there was that devilish branch called the Muslim Brotherhood, who soon regrouped in Egypt. The head that sustained what seemed to be a mortal wound, never truly died.)

So, with NO other valid scriptural witnesses to validate that there is an exclusive Lamb’s book of life, then I either do NOT attempt to preach it or teach it, or I make the assumption since Jesus and God are in essence the same thing, then the book of Life is also the Lamb’s. He has been given ALL judgment, so that makes sense.

There is one reference where God says to Moses that He will blot out from “the book” those who sinned. While we don’t see that God actually did blot out their names, but we do see Moses having a hand in the death of 3000. (Exodus 32:26-27.)

Initially I said, I have NO additional witnesses to God blotting out people’s names from the book, but with further study I found a couple more.

In Genesis 6:7, we see God saying, I will blot out all mankind from the earth.

Did God do exactly that? 

No, for Noah and the extended family were saved.

Did God exclude all others from salvation? 

No, as it took over 100 years to build the ark and Noah preached every chance he got.

Did they line up to get in the ark?

Hardly, but the family could hear them pounding on the door when the flooding got serious.

How about this one, what methods did Israel have to remove, even if momentarily, sins? 

The sacrificial system, and, at this point in time, I can not see that it was set up. Perhaps this could be an explanation of what seems like harshness.

Alright then, what is death? 

The cessation of breath and, or complete separation from God.

So what did God do with the people that were killed at Mt. Sinai? 

They ceased to breathe, for the aspect of death associated with the great white throne has obviously NOT happened as yet. Therefore, no one has yet to be sent to hell, although people will argue with you. And, since we are NOT the judge, we do not know who is destined for this place.

Is it possible that because of Jesus’ obedience to the cross, every person regained their name in God’s book? 

If their names were restored and then blotted out, it would only be because of a refusal on their part to accept Jesus, that excludes them from having their name in the book and hence be blotted out.

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Armies, assembled to make war against Him who sat on the horse. Revelation 20: 1-6.


In Revelation 19 we saw Jesus, the King of Kings and Lord of Lords, riding into the scene on a white horse and a tremendous army of saints riding behind Him. He has a sword coming out of His mouth, that sword is His Word, so in reality, He may only speak a word and kill all those who have joined in, and He slaughters all those who have come to the fight.

Statements indicating that Jesus only kills those who come to do battle seem logical, however, some will actively fight with me about how Jesus kills off everyone but the Christians prior to the millennial reign. If that was the case, why would there be a need for judges seated on thrones during this time period?

Who these judges are is found in Revelation 19:2 where it speaks of God avenging the blood of His bond-servants – the martyred saints. You then have to extrapolate how God would avenge their blood. Since we, the church, caught up in the rapture, did not spill our blood, then it is certainly not speaking about us. The answer to this question above lies in the fact that many from the nations will enter the millennial kingdom.

Notice the terminology used in Revelation 19, pertaining to this battle.

Then I saw the beast and the rulers and leaders of the earth with their troops mustered to go into battle and make war against Him Who is mounted on the horse and against His troops.”
(Revelation 19:19 AMP)

  • We see the beast – this is the antichrist character,

  • the rulers of the earth – take your pick, if they have survived the onslaught thrown at the earth by God, then they too will be there.

  • And we see, leaders of the earth with their troops.

All of these are going into battle against Him who is seated upon the white horse and His troops.

You do know who this is, right?

Jesus Christ. Here is a scripture to back up my argument.

Then I saw heaven opened, and a white horse was standing there. Its rider was named Faithful and True, for he judges fairly and wages a righteous war.
(Revelation 19:11 NLT)

Suddenly, it occurs to me, that the gathering of troops, to a specific location like Israel (Never let this piece of information out of your thinking, this saga, we call the Bible, is about God’s plan to redeem humanity, the promise He made to Abraham, and the land that He promised to Abraham – that land extends far beyond the reaches of Israel,will take more than a day or two, and we can see that Russia is staging for some horrid activity with their build-up in Syria. The implications are that Jesus is merely hanging there in mid-air for all the world to see, with the armies of heaven in tow until these earth-bound fools are gathered and ready to fight.

You saw my shortlist above, where there are no wives, mothers, or children listed. That does not preclude that a few may choose to join in the melee, but for the most part, in the Middle East, wars are fought by the men. So that does not mean that the King of Kings will go to their house, in contrast to some of the instructions Israel received concerning the conquering of opposing “nations,” and leave no one alive. If you believe that, then you have no idea who God is.

Let’s confirm these assertions I just put forth.

“And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies assembled to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. And the beast was seized, and with him, the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone. And the rest were killed with the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh.” (Revelation 19:19-21 NASB)

So here we go once again with an inventory again as we look at another verse..

  • The beast and the kings of the earth,

  • Their armies

It is only those assembled to make war against Him who are seated on the white horse and against His army that is killed.

What is the result of this war?

The beast, which is the antichrist, is seized, and with him, the false prophet; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire. And the rest were killed with the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. Two are permanently judged and tossed into the lake of fire, while an untold number of fighters from among the nations are killed – temporarily put to sleep until they are called before the great white throne.

All that is merely housekeeping and now begins,

The Thousand Years

Revelation 20:1-3 Moffatt NT (1) Then I saw an angel descend from heaven with the key of the abyss and a huge chain in his hand; (2) he gripped the dragon, that old serpent (who is the devil and Satan), and bound him for a thousand years, (3) flinging him into the abyss and shutting and sealing it on the top of him, to prevent him seducing the nations again until the thousand years were completed — after which he has to be released for a little while.

So much of this is self-explanatory. 

An angel simply means an angel. Since we seem to think that Satan is all-powerful – by the way, he is NOT, then it is obvious that this angel is stronger.

I was asked by a relative, to explain Revelation 20 and 21. Since the questions are usually entwined with convoluted arguments, I asked that person to give me some specific questions. A response that came went like this, God had to use a special chain because you can’t hold a spirit being with a metal chain. I suppose that stands to reason.

Whether it is a huge or great chain makes no difference as the word hálusis also carries meanings of manacles, shackles, bonds, imprisonment, or a state of custody. Whatever it takes.

Notice that this angel has keys. Where did he get a key?

Jesus told the disciples, “I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.” (Matthew 16:19 NASB)

When Jesus spoke these words He had not yet gone to hell, taken the keys to death, hell, and the grave. And yet He speaks as though He already had them. Perhaps this speaks to the confidence that God has in His own word.

Paul tells us in his letter to the church at Ephesus that He went to hell.

Therefore He says, “When He ascended up on high, He led captivity captive and gave gifts to men.” (Now that He ascended, what is it but that He also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? (Ephesians 4:8-9 MKJV)

An aspect of what happened to Jesus was to be falsely accused of sins He did not commit. The payment for sin was death, but not just physical death, it was spiritual death as well, and Satan thought he had Him.

I always think of Hank Hannegraf, the Bible Answer Man, and how he seemed to lose his mind over this teaching. He would proclaim that it was blasphemy if you can think that Jesus should or could be put in hell. And yet, there it is in black and white, “He also descended… into the lower parts of the earth.” What Paul preached came from the heart of God, the Old Testament, and so here is where he got the teaching from.

“You have gone up on high; You have led captivity captive; You have received gifts for men, yes, for the rebellious also, that You might dwell among them, O Jehovah God.” (Psalms 68:18 MKJV)

These gifts that the passage speaks of did NOT come from hell. The gifts are only from the Father, so it is easy to see that Jesus was rewarded as well.

“And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us and has taken it out of the way, nailing it to the crossHaving stripped rulers and authorities, He made a show of them publicly, triumphing over them in it.” (Colossians 2:13-15 MKJV)

In the faith movement, there was a teaching called, “What happened from the Cross to the Throne.” To be honest, it was awesome, not something you hear very often, and I think it is something that every believer should understand. I am presenting several aspects of that teaching in this post. 

Jesus did not simply die, He destroyed Satan and His power, and then went into heaven, where, as the high priest, He placed His own blood on the heavenly utensils there – the tabernacle on earth was a copy of that heavenly one. Because He conquered sin and death, the Father restored Him to power and placed Him upon His throne, where He still sits today.

Take the time to read these passages: Heb_4:14; *Heb_6:20; *Heb_8:1, *1Pe_3:22. 

One last passage about those keys and we will move on.

“and the Living One, and I became dead, and behold, I am alive forever and ever, Amen. And I have the keys of hell and of death.” (Revelation 1:18 MKJV)

So when I asked, where did the angel get the keys, he got them from Jesus, who obtained them by stripping them out of Satan’s grip. Satan, on the other hand, got them when Adam, who was NOT deceived, handed the dominion of the earth over to the deceiver.

Revelation 20:4 MKJV  “And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the Word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast nor his image, nor had received his mark on their foreheads, nor in their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.”

Who are these that sit on the thrones that Jesus sets up?

Fortunately, we answered this in the first few paragraphs. But in short, it is the previously martyred saints.

Notice the terminology, they were “beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the Word of Godand who had not worshiped the beast nor his image, nor had received his mark on their foreheads, nor in their hands.”

Revelation 20:5 GNB  “(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were over.) This is the first raising of the dead.”

If you are not cautious in your reading, you will see the first raising as those who are brought back at the end of the millennial reign. It is NOT the dead being brought before the great white throne, it is the martyred saints, raised to sit upon these thrones, passing judgment over the nations during the millennium.

Revelation 20:6 NASB “Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.”

Martyred saints, raised to life again, never have to fear the second death.

The second death, we have heard this term several times, so what is it?

The second death is spiritual death in that you are separated from God. I don’t think any of us can express what that feels like except for Jesus. I can say that because I have known Jesus all my life and have never been without Him. Now, if you chose NOT to listen to His voice, then the obvious assertion would be that you did not recognize His voice, but that was your choice. 

Didn’t you ever wonder what Jesus meant when He said, “MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME?”

For many, this is just a curse when things are not going well, Jesus got it from the Psalms

… My God, my God, why have You forsaken me? Far from my deliverance are the words of my groaning.” (Psalms 22:1 NASB)

Humanity, whether they choose to follow Christ or spit in His face, has always had the Spirit of God speaking to them and moving around them, and that is why I struggle with people who are willing to tell you that God cannot and will not look at sin. If that were the case, He would have ignored all of us. The passage these false teachers use is taken out of context and is part of one where Habakkuk is whining to God. That NASB titles this section as:

Habakkuk’s Second Complaint

“Are You not from everlasting, O LORD, my God, my Holy One? We will not die. You, O LORD, have appointed them to judge; And You, O Rock, have established them to correct. Your eyes are too pure to approve evil, And You can not look on wickedness with favor. Why do You look with favor On those who deal treacherously? Why are You silent when the wicked swallow up Those more righteous than they?”
(Habakkuk 1:12-13 NASB)

Habakkuk went on to ask, why do you look with favor on those who deal treacherously, which of course is a polite way of saying evil, wickedness, or sin. So, using the phrase, God can NOT look on wickedness, is no less sin, and a form of manipulation and control; and those two words move their actions into the arena of witchcraft.

The reality of God’s heart and character looks more like this.

Who is a God like You, who pardons iniquity And passes over the rebellious act of the remnant of His possession? He does not retain His anger forever, Because He delights in unchanging love.” (Micah 7:18 NASB)

Did you catch the depth of character embedded in what Micah had to say?

  • “ Who is a God like You,”

    This statement is reaching out to find and display God’s character.

  • who pardons iniquity”

    This is in total opposition to the proclamation that God cannot look at sin, which, by the way, is exactly what His son became on the cross – sin.

  • And passes over the rebellious act of the remnant of His possession.”

    On this earth, we are subject to the demands of the law and, therefore, our crimes, if caught, get punished. Some seem to think there are no repercussions if they get away with the crime. Enjoy your moment in the sun, but there is a payment to be made. But what does Micah tell us? That God passes over the rebellious acts.

    Question. After the treasonous act by Adam, what did God do? Some will try to work from the angle that God was hiding His face from the man in the garden. Seriously, God, who knows and sees all, was showing the man respect, although I am not sure he deserved it, by calling out where are you. You are NOT going to hide yourself or your sins from God. He will seek you out.

  • He does not retain His anger forever,”

    Thank you, Lord, for that. Wouldn’t it be nice if people acted like God? As I write I am considering, with frailty, how long then does God hold on to anger? The answer is simple, He doesn’t. The cross was more than an interesting dot on the timeline of God’s redemption plan, as it, among other things, signifies His forgiveness of ALL sin. So when I come to God with my sin, as though there is a release from hell’s grip by confessing what was done. He responds with, I don’t know what you are talking about. I left that all on the cross.

    But there is yet a better answer and it comes from the passage itself.

  • Because He delights in unchanging love.”

    It brings the Father more joy to show you His unchanging love.

    Let those words sink in.

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His name is called The Word of God. Revelation 19:12-21.


“I saw heaven opened, and a white horse was standing there. Its rider was named …”

Where else have we seen a white horse?

And I saw: and behold, a white horse, and he that sat upon it having a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went forth conquering and that he might conquer. (Revelation 6:2 Darby)

This rider on a white horse, which we see in Revelation 6, is the antichrist.

How do I know this?

  • Primarily, I follow the context of Revelation 6. Everything we see in chapter six is the result of the first of seven seals being opened; this is important because the seals, the trumpets, and the bowl judgments are God’s wrath being poured out on this earth. So this rider on the white horse is an aspect of God’s wrath and helps to explain why he has a bow in his hand with no arrows. The key takeaway from this is that this man brings deception and death.

  • Secondly, it is The Lamb, the Messiah, the Son of God, the firstborn from the dead opening the seals, so He is certainly not going to be the rider of chapter six. When John was looking into heaven he saw the scrolls and heard a strong angel crying out, who is worthy to open the seals? The answer came quickly.

    And I saw a powerful angel, who called in a loud voice, “Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?” But there was no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth who could open the scroll or look inside it. I cried and cried because there was no one who was worthy to open the scroll or look inside. But one of the elders said to me, “Don’t cry! The Lion from the tribe of Judah has won the victory. He is David’s descendantHe is able to open the scroll and its seven seals.” Then I saw a Lamb standing in the center near the throne with the four living beings around it. The elders were also around the Lamb. The Lamb looked as if it had been killed. It had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God that were sent into all the world. (Revelation 5:2-6 ERV)

  • And finally, I will end this testimony on this note. The rider on the white horse, that we see in Revelation 6, has many names. Here are a few.

      • The insolent king.

      • A king of fierce countenance.

      • The one who sets forth the covenant of peace and breaks it.

      • The little horn.

      • The mouth uttering great things.

      • The Assyrian.

And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sat on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and wages war. His eyes are a flame of fire, and on His head are many diadems, and He has a name written on Him which no one knows except Himself. He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. And the armies which are in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, were following Him on white horses. From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the winepress of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty. And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, “KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.”” (Revelation 19:11-16 NASB)

To give you a contrast to the rider we see in Revelation 6, here are a few of the attributes of Jesus, the rider on the white horse of Revelation 19. The differences are many and distinct.

    • In Rev 19:11 He is called Faithful and True.

    • Rev 19:12 “His eyes were like flames of fire.”

    • Rev 19:12, on his head, were many crowns.

    • Rev 19:13 “He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood.”

    • Rev 19:13 “His name is called The Word of God.”

    • Rev 19:15 “From His mouth comes a sharp sword ,,,,”

    • Rev 19:16 “And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, “KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.”

This makes me chuckle because the believer will look at these attributes and see the blinding glory of the Father; it is so overwhelming when I think about it that I wonder why the antichrist is not merely consumed by that light. There is no doubt that day will come but not now.

If you need convincing about God’s mercy to save the nations, then look at this.

“On this mountain, he will destroy the veil which covers the face of all peoples, the veil enshrouding all the nations.” (Isaiah 25:7 CJB)

At the end of the tine of wrath, the veil will be lifted from all peoples, including the Jews. It is this veil that prevents them from seeing the truth. That sounds so hopeless but it’s not, for even today the veil is lifted when “they” read the Word of God and believe.

The great feast.

Few ever explain it, fewer still, explain it well – this great feast, the marriage supper of the Lamb.

The only place you will find the phrase, the marriage supper of the Lamb is here in Revelation 19.

Then he *said to me, “Write, ‘Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.'” And he *said to me, “These are true words of God.” (Revelation 19:9 NASB)

Almost everyone pictures a great festival associated with marriage, especially one in which the groom is the Son of God. But look at what Revelation 19 seems to describe as the menu.

Revelation 19:17-18 NASB (17) “Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out with a loud voice, saying to all the birds which fly in mid heaven, “Come, assemble for the great supper of God, (18) so that you may eat the flesh of kings and the flesh of commanders and the flesh of mighty men and the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them and the flesh of all men, both free men and slaves and small and great.”

I, too, struggled with this marriage supper of the Lamb; not because I did not think it would happen, I of all people, wanted it to happen, but verse 18 certainly slaps me in the face. When the bible teacher would not and could not explain when or where this supper takes place, I turned verses 17 and 18 against him. Years later I found the answer.

The LORD of hosts will prepare a lavish banquet for all peoples on this mountain; A banquet of aged wine, choice pieces with marrow, And refined, aged wine. (Isaiah 25:6 NASB)

Wine, meats, and cheese, not the flesh of kings. To add to the importance, Jesus spoke of this time with the disciples the night before His crucifixion.

But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father’s kingdom.” (Matthew 26:29 NASB)

The seven years are finished, the time in which the marriage supper of the Lamb has come. Everyone has been invited, and that includes the nations. All fighting has come to an end. Weapons will now be burned or made into garden implements. Jesus rules over the earth as a righteous judge, and Satan and the antichrist and the false prophet (you may recognize this person as Isa ben Maryiam,) will all three be thrown into the lake of fire.

Revelation 19:20 NASB “And the beast was seized, and with him, the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.

Surprise, they are the only ones there at this point.

Someone will read this and say I only see two persons, so the Bible is not true. Oh, spare me. This lake of fire is eternal and the only one who will get back out will be Satan, for at the end of the thousand years he will be allowed to deceive the nations, once again.

When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison,” (Revelation 20:7 NASB)

You cannot be released from prison unless you had just served time there. Once the deception is done, guess where he returns to? Yes, back to his eternal torment.

And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.” (Revelation 20:10 NASB)

That idea of only three persons being in hell is hard to receive for many religious folks because of false teachings. Some of those false teachings include the incorrect teaching that no Jews will enter the kingdom, nor will the nations. If you have bought into those beliefs my heart grieves for you, as you need to be freed by reading the Word of God. My suggestion for you is to read it as though you have never read it before and your life depended upon what it says.

Pardon the pun, but I have a burning question – this is a fairly common subject brought up in Bible studies.

Revelation 19:21 NASB “And the rest were killed with the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh.”

Who is Jesus fighting with?

“For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city will be captured, the houses plundered, the women ravished and half of the city exiled, but the rest of the people will not be cut off from the city. Then the LORD will go forth and fight against those nations, as when He fights on a day of battle. In that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which is in front of Jerusalem on the east; and the Mount of Olives will be split in its middle from east to west by a very large valley, so that half of the mountain will move toward the north and the other half toward the south.” (Zechariah 14:2-4 NASB)

The nations have always been those outside of Judaism; this includes the Christian community to the Jew mindset. Believers, although we came out of the nations, are NOT the nations, we are the body of Christ, as is any believing Jew.

So those, called the nations, are non-believers. You might think the term non-believer automatically qualifies them to go straight to hell. Sorry, but NO. How quickly we forget that ALL SIN was forgiven on the cross. That should have been a game-changer, possibly to the point that all would gain entrance into heaven, but it had a stipulation, you must believe in God’s Son, Jesus Christ, and the fact that He did all that for you.

Alright, let’s assume that in theory they are forgiven, but it still does not tell me where they go.

Where do all these dead folk go?

King Solomon tells us,

For the living know they will die; but the dead do not know anything, nor have they any longer a reward, for their memory is forgotten. (Ecclesiastes 9:5 NASB)

Well, it is quite obvious that it is NOT straight to hell. The soul, though still alive, lies in inactivity until God calls them back for judgment. The entirety of this statement can only be defined as God’s mercy and truly beyond my ability to explain the process, but I will try.

The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. …” (Revelation 20:5 TLV)

You cannot simply say the “rest” of the dead unless there was a previous awakening of the dead, and there was – the martyred saints, which we see in Revelation 20:4. That verse goes to tell us that they reign as judges during the millennial kingdom. How appropriate, the “nations,” and that includes a wide variety of people, and dictators will now be subject to those they brutalized and murdered.

Who is this being called before the Great White Throne?

I must first remind you that ALL judgment was given over to the Son, so this is Jesus sitting here, but pay attention to what He is being called.

Then I saw a great white throne, and the One seated on it. The earth and heaven fled from His presence, but no place was found for them.”
(Revelation 20:11 TLV)

Yes, this is that feared throne, where allegedly no one obtains mercy.

And I saw the dead—the great and the small—standing before the throne. The books were opened, and another book was opened—the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to what was written in the books, according to their deeds.
(
Revelation 20:12 TLV)

As I have talked about this with my friends, I have pointed out the futility of the judge bringing the book of Life, especially if the assumption is that no one obtains mercy. An action like this only makes the punishment crueler as you taunt those being flung toward hell. We don’t know how many books there are as there is only one that is important, the Book of Life. But verse 12 tells us that the dead were judged according to what was written in the books, ACCORDING TO THEIR DEEDS.

The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Sheol gave up the dead in them. Then they were each judged, each one of them, according to their deeds.”
(Revelation 20:13 TLV)

When the gathering of the church happens, the dead in Christ will rise first, and then those that remain will be caught up together with them. Notice that it says the dead. Now the assumption is that the dead in Christ are written in the book of Life. Ah, and yet in verse twelve above we see God continuing to scour the Book of Life to see if any of those now standing before Him can be shown mercy.

What is the distinction here?

This may seem pretentious, but obviously, I am still here, writing. I am a part of the body of Christ and it is the Apostle Paul’s words in the New Testament that have promoted that understanding. Paul put forth that the Law of God is written upon our hearts, and this is true for everyone, but does everyone follow that law. Speaking for myself, it is often a daily struggle. Having the law merely conveys the truth that we all have the same moral standard to live by.

I get it, you are an atheist and are willing to scream loudly to prove it, but your words do not change the truth. The law of God is that moral standard that allows God to be the righteous judge, and everyone will be judged upon the same value system; but, not for sin, as that was destroyed on the cross.

Then death and Sheol were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death—the lake of fire”
(
Revelation 20:14 TLV)

It seems as if this should have been the last statement made as punishment has fear and torment attached to it, and with the last person thrown into the lake of fire, having chosen to ignore the inset moral standard and follow after Satan, there is no longer any need of death and Sheol. Where they go I do not know, nor do I care as we, in the loving arms of the Father, never have to concern ourselves with any aspect of that again.

And if anyone was not found written in the Book of Life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.”
(Revelation 20:15 TLV)

The end. Are you kidding me, I know less about what happens next than I do about the millennial kingdom. One preacher said we will all have jobs there. Great, more corporate leadership, Gestapo-like managers, and deadly pollution. Get real, that is NOT happening. Those who are a part of the body of Christ might just be hanging around with Jesus all the time. Honestly, I don’t know. I just know that finally, my head will have peace and I will know love as I have never known it.
God is Love and heaven is beyond our wildest imaginations – and I have seen the movie Avatar, so I get to be dazzled.

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The Marriage supper of the Lamb – continued. Revelation 19:10-11.


We are back to Revelation 19, praise God.

When we were there last, we finished with Revelation 19:9

Then he *said to me, “Write, ‘Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.'” And he *said to me, “These are true words of God.” (Revelation 19:9 NASB)

The man that ran the Monday morning men’s Bible study would frequently talk about his excitement over the marriage supper of the Lamb, but he could and would not define what and where this marriage supper takes place. We religious folk are so embedded in conjecture and tradition, but not truth. So I decided to rock the man’s boat one morning, by reminding him that Revelation 19:9 is the only place you will find this phrase “marriage supper of the Lamb” and is therefore not supported by scripture. The passages that follow actually describe a rather horrifying scene.

Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out with a loud voice, saying to all the birds which fly in mid-heaven, “Come, assemble for the great supper of God, so that you may eat the flesh of kings and the flesh of commanders and the flesh of mighty men and the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them and the flesh of all men, both free men and slaves and small and great.” (Revelation 19:17-18 NASB)

I read this and said, enjoy your meal.

Since that time I have found a passage that supports this idea of a marriage supper with the Lamb. It is rather exciting.

“The LORD of hosts will prepare a lavish banquet for all peoples on this mountain; A banquet of aged wine, choice pieces with marrow, And refined, aged wine.”
(Isaiah 25:6 NASB)

To read Isaiah 25:6, just as it is, is not very revealing because it is missing the context. Here is a larger portion that reveals when then this takes place.

For You have been a defense for the helpless, A defense for the needy in his distress, A refuge from the storm, a shade from the heat; For the breath of the ruthless Is like a rainstorm against a wall. Like heat in drought, You subdue the uproar of aliens; Like heat by the shadow of a cloud, the song of the ruthless is silencedThe LORD of hosts will prepare a lavish banquet for all peoples on this mountain; A banquet of aged wine, choice pieces with marrow, And refined, aged wineAnd on this mountain, He will swallow up the covering which is over all peoples, Even the veil which is stretched over all nations. He will swallow up death for all time, And the Lord GOD will wipe tears away from all faces, And He will remove the reproach of His people from all the earth; For the LORD has spoken. And it will be said in that day, “Behold, this is our God for whom we have waited that He might save us. This is the LORD for whom we have waited; Let us rejoice and be glad in His salvation.”
(
Isaiah 25:4-9 NASB)

Wow! This is the day we long for. The nuggets in this passage are spread across the New Testament and the Revelation, and this is why these people in Revelation 19 are rejoicing. If you look at this one point at a time, you will see the events of Revelation 19.

  • You subdue the uproar of aliens; Like heat by the shadow of a cloud, the song of the ruthless is silenced.

Answer me this;

In what ways will He subdue, or as Isaiah 13 tells us, punish the world for their iniquity?

Thus I will punish the world for its evil And the wicked for their iniquity; I will also put an end to the arrogance of the proud And abase the haughtiness of the ruthless.”
(Isaiah 13:11 NASB)

Revelation 20 speaks to this very thing but it is stated in relation to the end of the thousand years.

Revelation 19, where we find Jesus coming back as the warring Messiah, is specifically about the time at the end of the time of wrath and the beginning of the millennial reign.

And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sat on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and wages war. His eyes are a flame of fire, and on His head are many diadems, and He has a name written on Him which no one knows except Himself. He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. And the armies which are in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, were following Him on white horses. From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty.”
(
Revelation 19:11-15 NASB)

  • on this mountain He will swallow up the covering which is over all peoples, Even the veil which is stretched over all nations.”

But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ. But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.”
(
2 Corinthians 3:14-16 NASB)

From the moment Jesus touches down on the Mount of Olives, the veil will be lifted; but not just off the Jews, the nations too will have the veil lifted. If they have not sought out Jesus during the seven years of wrath, perhaps they will now.

  • “ He will swallow up death for all time.”

1 Corinthians 15 almost requires you to understand that our spirits live on forever, and this changes our comprehension of what death is. Some will live eternally in the presence of the Father, while others will follow their leader to a perpetual burning hell.

And when this perishable puts on the imperishable and this that was capable of dying puts on freedom from death, then shall be fulfilled the Scripture that says, Death is swallowed up (utterly vanquished forever) in and unto victory.”
(1 Corinthians 15:54 AMPC)

2 Corinthians explains that we will be clothed with a heavenly body.

For we will put on heavenly bodies; we will not be spirits without bodies. While we live in these earthly bodies, we groan and sigh, but it’s not that we want to die and get rid of these bodies that clothe us. Rather, we want to put on our new bodies so that these dying bodies will be swallowed up by life. God himself has prepared us for this, and as a guarantee he has given us his Holy Spirit.” (2 Corinthians 5:3-5 NLT)

  • the Lord GOD will wipe tears away from all faces,”

“Those who have been ransomed by the LORD will return. They will enter Jerusalem singing, crowned with everlasting joy. Sorrow and mourning will disappear, and they will be filled with joy and gladness.”
(Isaiah 51:11 NLT)

Moving on.

(Revelation 19:10 NLT) “Then I fell down at his feet to worship him, but he said, “No, don’t worship me. I am a servant of God, just like you and your brothers and sisters who testify about their faith in Jesus. Worship only God. For the essence of prophecy is to give a clear witness for Jesus.

While I am not sure how important it is, this one who spoke to John is of the body of Christ. Remember that we, the church are appareled in a particular manner and that we are given a crown; just as the 24 elders apparently were.

Revelation 2:10 tells us that we are given the crown of life. And 1 Peter 5:4 states,

And when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the unfading crown of glory.” (NASB)

The elders are described in this manner.

Around the throne were twenty-four thrones; and upon the thrones, I saw twenty-four elders sitting, clothed in white garments, and golden crowns on their heads.
(Revelation 4:4 NASB)

I mentioned the crown but I did not mention the white garments.

‘But you have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their garments; and they will walk with Me in white, for they are worthy.
(Revelation 3:4 NASB)

If you are anything like me, then you have had a discussion in your head that goes a bit like this, I soiled my garments. There is a solution for that and we find it in Jesus. By the way, there is nothing you can do to resolve this on your own, except of course to turn away from your sins and run to Jesus. Jesus did all this work on the cross because we could not.

so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she would be holy and blameless.”
(
Ephesians 5:26-27 NASB)

We are cleansed because we are washed by His Word. He did this so that He could present to Himself the church, with No spots, No wrinkles, and that we would be holy and blameless. I am stunned by this statement.

One of the things people struggle with is the gifts of the Spirit, prophecy in particular. If you could give an honest assessment of why some run around the country verbalizing words they feel is prophetic, you would find it is because they want the power that seems to be associated with that gift.

Revelation 19:10 tells us where the heart of prophecy is found.

… the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” (NASB)

According to Webster’s dictionary, testimony is defined as,

A solemn declaration or affirmation made for the purpose of establishing or proving some fact. Such affirmation in judicial proceedings,may be verbal or written, but must be under oath. Testimony differs from evidence; testimony is the declaration of a witness, and evidence is the effect of that declaration on the mind, or the degree of light which it affords.

So, our speaking about Jesus, giving testimony to what He has done in our lives, is a prophecy in its simplest form. Don’t make a big deal out of prophecy, merely live it.

Here comes the best part, Jesus.

Revelation 19:11 NASB “And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sat on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and wages war.”

My father asked me, why don’t you use the KJV?

Dr. Chuck Missler used to say, every translation has its issues, it’s just that the KJV’s are well documented. So we just have to be diligent and perceptive enough to allow the Holy Spirit to direct us to one that most closely conveys the heart of the Father. And do not be afraid to use passages from newer versions, such as the NLT or the NET bible, as they may say it better.

Let me show you a major problem that shows its ugly head here in the King James Version of 2 Thessalonians 2:3.

2 Thessalonians 2:3 KJV  “Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;”

What is the “that day” in this passage referring to?

Christ’s return for His church and the revealing of the antichrist. But the way they stated the situation, the horrendous falling away of the church AND the revealing of the antichrist must come first before Jesus can take the church back home to Himself. If you are not aware that a falling away has taken place then you have been living under a rock.

Why is the KJV a problem?

Because the state church – the Catholic church, saw that people were leaving and going to the more recent Protestant church. Having influence, and a king who was deeply invested in the Catholic church, they pressured the king for a rewrite that would convey their disdain for those leaving the state church, and thus we got the KJV.

Well, what did 2 Thessalonians 2:3 read like originally?

One of the first bibles available was the Geneva translation 1587, and it read like this.

2 Thessalonians 2:3 Geneva (3) “Let no man deceiue you by any meanes: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that that man of sinne be disclosed, euen the sonne of perdition,”

Here, in the Geneva translation, the phrase reads “for that day shall not come, unless there come a departing first.

The Word Study Dictionary conveys this about the word apostasia. The primary word to define apostasia is to departA Departure. Does apostasia also cover the word apostasy? Certainly, it does, but it is NOT the primary definition.

Even if the Geneva bible has peculiar spellings, like the KJV, the fact that the KJV did not come on the scene until 1769, almost two hundred years later, should say something to you about our ability to perceive it as being more valid. When someone like the YouTube evangelist Robert Breaker, makes a statement such as “it is the authorized version,” he is ignoring the fact that the KJV was only authorized after pressure from the state-run church – the Catholic church, to manipulate the masses.

Let me add one more thing.

If you choose to hold tightly to the KJV because it was “authorized,” then what do you do with this piece of information, only a few verses later, that conflicts with verse 3, and emphasizes that “he”, the church, must be taken out of the way before the antichrist can come.?

2 Thessalonians 2:7-8 KJV  “For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.  (8)  And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:”

  • he who now lets”

This is the church. Many feel this is the Holy Spirit; I know this because I have heard it repeatedly. It is NOT the Holy Spirit, as the Holy Spirit continues to move upon the face of the earth just as He moved upon the face of the waters in Genesis.

As I wrote these words I got a mental picture of the 120+ disciples, waiting in the upper room and receiving the baptism in the Holy Spirit. (Look at these verses in Acts 1:14-15 and you will see that the group had grown.)

The Holy Spirit – the comforter, did not force Himself upon them, and they, like everybody else, had to receive Him.

One more argument that needs to be put aside.

When you received Jesus you received the Holy Spirit.

Ah, but are you aware of that?

Ephesians 1:13 MKJV  in whom also you, hearing the Word of Truth, the gospel of our salvation, in whom also believingyou were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

That promise is the assurance of our salvation – which happens with the rapture of the church and is placed within our hearts.

2 Corinthians 1:22 MKJV  And He has sealed us and having given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

Are you aware that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are ONE?

Colossians 2:8-10 MKJV  Beware lest anyone rob you through philosophy and vain deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the elements of the world, and not according to Christ.  (9)  For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.  (10)  And you are complete in Him, who is the Head of all principality and power,

So, did you choose to receive Jesus; then you received the Holy Spirit. They are the same in that they all convey the character and nature of the Father, and yet, each is different in appearance.

John 14:16-17 MKJV  “And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, so that He may be with you forever,  (17)  the Spirit of Truth, whom the world cannot receive because it does not see Him nor know Him. But you know Him, for He dwells with you and shall be in you.”

Most people fear the flamboyant shows of display put on by individuals and therefore fear that the Holy Spirit will do that to them. Calm down.

Let me ask you a question. Do you drink too much, take off your clothes, and dance on tables with a lampshade on your head?

If your answer is no, then you are not one of those people who have the inward desire to do something outlandish and are just looking for an excuse to act out.

I need you to know that the Holy Spirit, is a gentleman, will NOT make you do anything. People who do such things are waiting for something that will allow their inhibitions to drop and, therefore, revel in the momentary freedom that promotes displaying themselves in bizarre manners.

To be honest, I so wish I could dance. I have danced freely, with my arms lifted in praise to God, twice in my life. The only thing that gave me this freedom was the fact that no one was watching. It felt glorious and liberating, as I danced before the Lord.

So, when the church is removed the Holy Spirit is not removed. The fact that people will continue to be drawn to the Lord is evidence that the Holy Spirit is still here, drawing them to the Father.

  • will be taken out of the way.”

We already saw this in the word apostasia – departure.

Where are we going?

Jesus, will come in the clouds and with the blast of shofars call us back to Himself. We are His, and a part of His body, did you NOT know this?

The Rider on a White Horse

The former President of Iraq, Saddam Hussein, believed that there was only one true passage in the Bible and Revelation 19:11 is the one. He believed this because he was confident that it spoke of himself. Unfortunately, he was hanged by the Iraqis for his war crimes, which were many, and that dream did not come to pass. The passage is declaring Jesus Christ as the warring Messiah, the one who is Faithful.

Revelation 19:11 MKJV  And I saw Heaven opened. And behold a white horse! And He sitting on him was called Faithful and True. And in righteousness, He judges and makes war.

He keeps His word and is, therefore, faithful

Psalms 89:35-37 MKJV  Once I have sworn by My holiness that I will not lie to David.  (36)  His seed shall endure forever, and his throne as the sun before Me.  (37)  It shall be established forever like the moon, and like a faithful witness in the heavens. Selah.

When I use scriptures as a faithful witness I typically use at least two passages. I like to use one from both sides of the cross; you know, the Old Testament where they originated and the New Testament where Jesus fulfilled the law – that is the same law that happens to be written on your heart, whether you like it or not.

And in righteousness He judges and makes war.”

Righteousness implies all we call justice, honesty, and virtue, with holy affections. This is who God is. So God judges based upon His moral standard, and, He also makes war based upon this same moral standard.

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This will be the last look at and critique of Pete Garcia’s post, How it all ends.


Post three of three.

The original merely had eight bulleted points with no explanations. Here, I continue as I look at point number five.

  1. (The“Sheep and Goat” judgment (Matt 25:31-46).

    If you had asked me about the sheep and goat judgment, this is where I would have initially directed you. It is, the same scenario as the great white throne judgment of Revelation twenty, verses 11-15, however, Matthew shows us, Jesus, while Revelation 20 seems to show the judge as God. Keep this in mind as you read the Revelation, it is a Revelation of Jesus Christ. There are very precise reasons I feel comfortable saying that are the same, and we may touch on some of them here.

    In Matthew 25 we see this.

    “But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne.” (Matthew 25:31 NASB)

    It is the Son of Man sitting on His glorious throne. You should know at this point in time, that all judgment has been placed into Jesus’ hands.

    “All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats;” (Matthew 25:32 NASB)

    Here in Matthew, all nations are gathered before Him.

    Can you make an assessment as to whether those gathered are alive or dead?

    We are not given that information.

    Can you define dead, in God’s eyes?

    Death is only a separation from God.

    Notice that it is Jesus that creates the groups and places the people in their appropriate group

    and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left. “Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.”
    (Matthew 25:33-34 NASB)

    The King, that’s Jesus, makes the announcement to the group on the right – the sheep, Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.”

Before the foundation of the world, doesn’t that imply that their names were written in that book this entire time?

If that is the case why wouldn’t they have been called up in snatching away of the church?

I don’t know the answer to that, but this is speaking to me of the religious judgments that I have been inappropriately taught to make.

Perhaps those being shown God’s mercy, are having the same questions because Jesus seems to respond with an explanation.

For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in;” (Matthew 25:35 NASB)

Wow, giving someone something to eat or drink doesn’t really seem like much. But in God’s eyes it is acting in the nature and character of the Son. His nature and character is LOVE, in case you did not know. This exchange of questions and answers goes on for four more verses.

“The King will answer and say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.’
(Matthew 25:40 NASB)

…To the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.”

Have you ever given that any thought? He, Jesus, is projecting, and appropriately so, His persona upon these.

If we could end it here that would be enough for me, but NO, He has to go on.

“Then He will also say to those on His left (the goats,) ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;”
(Matthew 25:41 NASB)

Verse 40 applies to these people as well, only in the opposite. “To the extent that you did (NOT do) it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did (NOT do) it to Me.”

  1. Millennial Reign of Christ on earth (Isa 2:2-4, 9:6-7, 11:1-10, 65:22-25, Rev 20:1-10) righteous (outside of the Church) resurrected, unrighteous of all time not resurrected until the end.

    First, the millennial is the 1000 year reign of Christ over the earth. It is also the time when Satan gets thrown into the Lake of Fire for a thousand years, where he cannot bother any of us in the outside world. Wow, if that is the case, then how do you explain what we see in Revelation 21 where it is talking about the New Jerusalem.

    “and nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.”
    (Revelation 21:27 NASB)

    It would seem that God has allowed for free will, and based on their actions, I would say they have chosen not to follow after Jesus.

    Now it will come about that In the last days The mountain of the house of the LORD Will be established as the chief of the mountains, And will be raised above the hills; And all the nations will stream to it. And many peoples will come and say, “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, To the house of the God of Jacob; That He may teach us concerning His ways And that we may walk in His paths.” For the law will go forth from Zion And the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. And He will judge between the nations, And will render decisions for many peoples; And they will hammer their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, And never again will they learn war.” (Isaiah 2:2-4 NASB)

    Interesting how many usages the phrase “last days” refers to. It can imply Jesus’ return for His church, the seven-years of God’s wrath, known to many as the great tribulation, and the millennial reign of Jesus. Here, in Isaiah, it is speaking of the thousand-year period.

    The mountain of the house of the Lord will be established. There are scriptures that speak of Satan being tossed from heaven, stripped of power, and all power being given to the Son. With statements like this, you would think that we, the followers of Christ, would walk about in power and victory; but we don’t, do we. The millennial reign is when this actually happens.

    That He may teach us concerning His ways And that we may walk in His paths.” Sadly, you have had this opportunity to learn His ways and walk in His paths all along.

    During the 1000 years, He (we assume that this is God, but no, all judgment has been given to the Son, Jesus,) will judge between the nations, and (He,) will render decisions for many people.

    And, as a result of this judgment, they (the nations,) will hammer their swords will be turned into plow-blades, and their spears into vine-knives.

    The BBE Bible puts the end in this manner.

    “No longer will the nations be turning their swords against one another, and the knowledge of war will be gone for ever.”

    Finally, peace.

    Can you imagine how many people live in a constant state of fear?

    What a relief a life like this would be.

    It is a wonderful thought, and it will end with a final judgment.

  2. Great White Throne Judgment (Rev 20:11-15)

    This is the same judgment that you saw when we talked about the sheep and goat judgment. Yes, there seem to be differences, such as here in Revelation 20 it talks how He (we assume it’s God here,) calls the nations before Him. While in Matthew’s account, He (in this case it is the shepherd – which we understand to be Jesus,) calls the dead before Him.

    Since our spirits live on forever, is anybody truly dead?

    Death is nothing less than your permanent separation from God, and hence, that is why there is a hell.

    “Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.” (Revelation 20:11-15 NASB)

  3. The eternal order (Rev 21-22:5)

    I have no idea what Mr. Garcia is talking about and I will tell you that I have never heard this preached in church. Let’s see what the passages say and see if we can make any sense out of it.

    “Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea.” (Revelation 21:1 NASB)

    “A new heaven and a new earth.” I was recently told by someone that they wanted to talk about these very chapters. I have read them on several occasions, and I thought they made sense. Immediately one of the questions I was asked popped into my mind, and it had to do with the earth burning up. In trying to find an answer for this person, I did an extensive search. This is about all I could find.

    2 Peter 3:4-7 NASB “and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation.” (5) For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, (6) through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water. (7) But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.”

    I, and a few others, will tell you, that the Revelation is a Jewish book immersed in the Old Testament, and prophecy to the Jew is based in repetition. I find nothing in scripture that shows me the earth being consumed by fire, except for 2 Peter 3. Should I then reject any allusions to the old earth burning up and being replaced? I don’t think so, if for no other reason than to purge the earth of it’s pollution; and I can see pollution on two levels – Satan’s and that made by humans.

    If Mr. Garcia is trying to make a point, perhaps the point lies in the chronological order of things. Albert Barnes, who published his commentaries around 1847, tells us that John assigned no time frame to what these two chapters convey. So I am not sure a chronological order is going to work.

    If, like the Apostle, Peter tells us, that it is all reserved for fire, then how does God manage to show mercy to those living throughout the millennial years?

    My question is anchored in the scriptural understanding that non-believers enter the millennial reign; and since these people will continue to live with a freedom of choice, among their own people, outside of the New Jerusalem, then births will continue and each individual will have to be shown God’s mercy, hopefully leading them to Jesus Christ. You cannot merely burn them up and we see an ample opportunity for them.

    In Revelation 21:2 we see the Holy City, 1500 miles square, coming down. For this to land on a level pad, there has to have been a tremendous shaking, and we see that as we read the scriptures. I have always pictured Holy City being in place throughout the millennial reign. A piece of evidence for this comes from this statement, which Mr. Garcia did not point you to.

    “Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the cityOutside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying.” (Revelation 22:14-15 NASB)

    If we do not see the Holy City until after the sheep and goat judgment, where the goats are thrown into the lake of fire (to be burned eternally,) then how is it that there people like this walking around outside the city of God?

    Another question arises. How could a just God allow these people to enter the millennial kingdom and continue with such horrid desires? Perhaps the answer lies in His mercy.

    We have one more clue in that Satan will be released after the 1000 years and he deceives the nations; they, in turn, driven by his passion to kill God and take His power, attack the Holy City. God stops that nonsense by, you got it, burning them up. Satan is then cast permanently into the Lake of Fire, while all these new deaths get to join the others at the great white throne judgment. This is the same judgment as what we see in Matthew 25 where the “goats” are cast into the fire. In either case, among those books used to judge is the Book of Life. The mere thought that God is scouring the books to see if there is a shadow of a reason to give those before Him life, should keep you awake at night.

    So, if the Holy City was sitting on earth when God burns the heavens and the earth, would it also be consumed in the fire?

    I suspect that God can do anything and maintain what is His. Revelation 21:4 tells us that there will no more death, sorrow, nor crying, for the former things have passed away.

    Ah, but when does that happen?

    Does it happen, for the church, at the catching away – the rapture?

    Beyond the rapture the martyred saints, murdered during the time of wrath, should no longer have to deal with death, sorrow, or crying, and yet we see them crying out, how long Lord until the rest can come home, almost as though they are still aware of grief. So I am not sure this thought process works to define the order of heaven.

    Perhaps this has more to do with the beginning of the millennial reign because it seems that immediately after Jesus shows up peace will take over. I have struggled to comprehend this peace all my life, as I have had to deal with bullies, just as many of you.

Look, the “Order of Heaven” is irrelevant as God will do what He intends, and His intent is to give us back the world and the relationship Adam had with the Father before the fall. No more Satan, therefore, no more prodding to sin. For the believers, we will be immortals, impervious to pain, death, and aging. And one other thing that I long to understand, is the companionship of such a powerful God.

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Once again, these are questions and/or statements that I have heard over the years, but this particular string of questions came under the guise of “I would like to talk about Revelation 21 and 22.”


Your questions and challenges.

I sit with several groups of men, and issues like this come up every once in a while. The problem is, attempts at answering a clear portion of the question, always seem to bring up some other train of thought, interrupting my own, and taking us down some unrelated rabbit trail. In responding like this, I can avoid those non-productive rabbit trails.

My initial response went like this. I never try to do battle without sharpening my sword. That being said, you write down your questions and such and send them to me.

This is what I received.

1. The time of the new heaven&earth when God sets up his kingdom. I always believed this was after the removal of all sinful people. but these chapters talk about being worthy and what is inside and outside the city. outside is murderers and the like.

2. “About the earth it says the valley’s will fill and the mountain brought low with no more see. In Luke the earth that was perished in the flood. A new earth grew from the destruction of the old. Why has my mind always imagined the universe being erased like a chalkboard when I read new heaven and earth. I could argue that it will be reborn after some form of purification and that in fact that sun 🌞 will be done away forever. But it’s looking like man,good and evil, remain even after the new Jerusalem.”

My response to Question #1.

You are not alone in your, hopefully previous, belief. The Monday morning “Bible teacher” used to hammer this false teaching, among others, into the brains of the men that showed up. I think he is still adhering to his twisted beliefs. By this man’s standard, no one but believers enter the millennial kingdom. He takes his opinion one racist step further and inappropriately excludes the Jews.

Sorry if this bursts your bubble, but as you have apparently figured out, surviving Jews and those from among nations who have endured will go into the millennial kingdom. By Jewish definition, the nations are any who are NOT Jews. Not only that, but those among the nations that have children during this time, have the freedom to NOT worship God and, therefore, within reason, act any way they chose. The huge difference between now and then, is that we, the believers, will be immortal/eternal and, therefore, cannot be harmed, but those among the nations can be. Violence will NOT be tolerated and will be suppressed faster than they can blink. There will be peace.

Isaiah 4:3 NASB “It will come about that he who is left in Zion and remains in Jerusalem will be called holy–everyone who is recorded for life in Jerusalem”

Another strong reproach to those who choose to NOT believe.

Isaiah 10:20 NASB “Now in that day the remnant of Israel, and those of the house of Jacob who have escaped, will never again rely on the one who struck them, but will truly rely on the LORD, the Holy One of Israel”

It is clear to me that the Jews will be the evangelists if you must call them something, and they, among others, will bring healing and the change that allows them entrance into the new Jerusalem, that comes through the leaves on the trees of life.

The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it. In the daytime (for there will be no night there) its gates will never be closed, and they will bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it, and nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life. (Revelation 21:24-27 NASB)

Zechariah speaks of the nations that came against Jerusalem coming to the new Jerusalem.

Then it will come about that any who are left of all the nations that went against Jerusalem will go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Booths. (Zechariah 14:16 NASB)

Ask yourself, how would these, from among the nations, understand all that is to take place at the Feast of Sukkāh, or booths, as we gentiles say?

Someone would have to teach them. Who better than Jews that have knowledge of the law?

Ezekiel 44:10-11 NASB “But the Levites who went far from Me when Israel went astray, who went astray from Me after their idols, shall bear the punishment for their iniquity. (11) “Yet they shall be ministers in My sanctuary, having oversight at the gates of the house and ministering in the house; they shall slaughter the burnt offering and the sacrifice for the people, and they shall stand before them to minister to them.

So, by these passages, we know that the nations and the Jews will be there; among them or part of them will be, those who are unclean, those who practice abominations, and liars. I hesitate to include verse eight, as this could just as easily apply to the previously dead, before the millennial kingdom. But think about it, sin has no qualifiers, and, therefore, this crowd could include those described in verse eight.

Before I move on and continue this discussion about the earth being burned with fire, think for a moment with me. For a human, this fire that will purge the filth of earth should purge it from humanity as well. Since God is merciful beyond our understanding, then I can’t see that happening until after the great white throne.

If you are asking, why at this point in time, just think about it; after this judgment, all sin is purged from, not just the earth, but from all creation, including the universe. Heaven and earth will be as they were meant to be; and though I cannot imagine what that will be like, it will be serenity.

The second of your questions is a puzzlement for me as well – but why?

If the earth is burned with fire during seven-years of God’s wrath, then how is it possible that there would be any survivors, including the 144,000 Jewish men that we see set apart in Revelation 7:4? Note, these 144,000 cannot be harmed by the judgments of God, and that should include any burning of the earth.

Why burn everything?

Maybe because the earth is polluted. Many plastics will take 10,000 years to break down, but vaporizing those same plastics, which are everywhere, and it should not take long at all.

Obviously, getting rid of pollutants is a plus, but what about the pollution that humanity brings along with it, like toxic waste materials?

It does not seem logical to attack humanity, especially if Jesus took all sin on Himself at the cross and paid for any debts owed by us. So Purging humanity is obviously not the goal, but purging unrepentant humanity might be.

What in the Revelation gets purged by fire or burned?

One of our more prominent examples comes from Revelation 19.

And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies assembled to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. And the beast was seized, and with him, the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone. (Revelation 19:19-20 NASB)

Who then, at this point, is thrown into the lake of fire?

Satan, the beast, and the false prophet. No one else gets thrown into the lake of fire. Again, this is NOT what many teach. Ah, but note, the rest that came to battle with Jesus were killed with the sword. An interesting, but incorrect assumption we religious people make, is that Jesus kills everyone from the nations. Once again, let me remind you that this Bible of ours is a Jewish-centric book, and so the nations, for the Jew, include the Christian community.

While it is contestants from the nations, here doing battle, does everyone come, and, therefore, get killed by Jesus?

No. The verse above tells you who gets killed in this battle with Jesus – the beast; the kings of the earth; their armies, and those assembled to make war against Jesus. Now, while mama and the children may hate Jesus, the Jews, and the people of the Book (the Bible,) they are NOT killed unless they decided to join in the fight.

So let’s get back to this idea of everything on earth burning.

Maybe this is where everyone gets toasted because there is an angel in charge of fire.

Then another angel, the one who has power over fire, came out from the altar; and he called with a loud voice to him who had the sharp sickle, saying, “Put in your sharp sickle and gather the clusters from the vine of the earth, because her grapes are ripe.” (Revelation 14:18 NASB)

But what does he do?

He calls out another, who has a sickle, and that angel begins to carry out a puzzling order. The angel is told to, “Put in your sharp sickle and gather the clusters from the vine of the earth, because her grapes are ripe.

I would assume that we are the grapes and that we are ripe, sort of like the bride, ready for the groom. But that is not the context and in verses 19-20 we see that these crushed grapes are representative of the blood that flows through the Megiddo Valley, deep as their bridles, for 200 miles. Clearly, we are being shown the wrath of God, but He did it without fire.

So the angel swung his sickle to the earth and gathered the clusters from the vine of the earth, and threw them into the great winepress of the wrath of God. And the winepress was trodden outside the city, and blood came out from the winepress, up to the horses’ bridles, for a distance of two hundred miles. (Revelation 14:19-20 NASB)

How did we transition from fire to a sickle?

It is the angel who has power over fire that is calling forth him who has a sharp sickle, and he is the one who is gathering the clusters.

So, where does the fire come into play?

The next time we see fire is in Revelation 16, and it is scorching humanity.

The fourth angel poured out his bowl upon the sun, and it was given to it to scorch men with fire. (Revelation 16:8 NASB)

Throughout the Bible, you see statements, such as all were there. If I used Daniel as an example of this, I would show how ALL were commanded to bow, and yet Daniel was not bowing because he was NOT there.

Merely because Revelation 16:8 tells us that it was given to scorch men, it does not mean all, because, here again, NO ONE would survive.

Does everyone that goes to the beach get severely sunburned?

If not, why not? Because many make efforts to hide from the Sun and its’ effects.

Also under the bowl judgments.

The first angel pours out his bowl and it became a loathsome and malignant sore on the people who had the mark of the beast and who worshiped his image. Students of the Bible should immediately understand that this is the most logical place in the timeline of events and, therefore, the second half of the seven-years of God’s wrath.

In Revelation 16:3 we see the second angel pouring out his bowl into the sea, and it became blood like that of a dead man, and every living thing in the sea died.

The third angel poured out his bowl into the rivers and the springs of waters, and they became blood.

And I heard the angel of the waters saying, “Righteous are You, who are and who were, O Holy One, because You judged these things; for they poured out the blood of saints and prophets, and You have given them blood to drink. They deserve it.”
(Revelation 16:5-6 NASB)

“For they have poured out the blood of saints and prophets,” who did this?

Well, if you know your Bible, then you also know that this is speaking of the scribes and Pharisees in Israel, and, it is also pointing at the global elite of the world.

Let’s get back to the fire/scorching of humans.

Men were scorched with fierce heat, and they blasphemed the name of God who has the power over these plagues, and they did not repent so as to give Him glory.
(Revelation 16:9 NASB)

Some people might think of scorched in terms of a sunburn. The Greek word kaumatizo translated as scorched also means to burn. If I were cooking, this piece of meat would most likely be trash at this point.

“Therefore, a curse devours the earth, and those who live in it are held guilty. Therefore, the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men are left.” (Isaiah 24:6 NASB)

A couple of keywords in Isaiah 24.

  • “and those who live in it are held guilty.”

    Forgiven of sin, what are we being held guilty of?

    Refusal to believe and follow Jesus Christ, the Messiah.

  • Therefore, the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men are left

    The Hebrew word for burn is chârar, and though it means hot and scorched, it also means to be dry and angry.

Notice something from Revelation 16:9.

Men were scorched with fierce heat; and they blasphemed the name of God who has the power over these plagues, and they did not repent so as to give Him glory. (Revelation 16:9 NASB)

Scorched with a fierce heat, they blasphemed the name of God and did not repent. Obviously, the scorching was NOT to death for all, but it was meant to drive them to repentance.

In Isaiah forty-two the context is Israel.

So He poured out on him the heat of His anger And the fierceness of battle; And it set him aflame all around, Yet he did not recognize it; And it burned him, but he paid no attention. (Isaiah 42:25 NASB)

Have no doubts, God does bring His fire upon the unrepentant, and we saw that in the story of Lot. Elijah is another.

Elijah replied to the captain of fifty, “If I am a man of God, let fire come down from heaven and consume you and your fifty.” Then fire came down from heaven and consumed him and his fifty. (2 Kings 1:10 NASB)

And, God, during the beginning of the seven-years of wrath, will set His two witnesses in the streets of Jerusalem, who spew fire out their mouths, among other things.

Elijah replied to the captain of fifty, “If I am a man of God, let fire come down from heaven and consume you and your fifty.” Then fire came down from heaven and consumed him and his fifty. (2 Kings 1:10 NASB)

I appreciated the questions as I have been motivated to look at things like fire, as part of the end times scenario, more thoroughly, and I must say, do not see the earth awash in fire, as yet. Fire is undeniable and is primarily associated with the Lake of Fire. From a scientific point of view, if the Sun was acting up, as it appears to be, then why couldn’t it supernova and destroy everything nearby; that might be where this is going, however, the final purging of pollution from the earth seems more effective between the great white throne and an eternity completely purged of sin.

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Some things need definition. A critique of a short post from Pete Garcia.


This essay was, in a sense, a critique of a short post from Pete Garcia. You can view his page, education, and background on the Telegram app as REV310.

Part one of at least three.

I am doing this because the numbered points are things that you might hear in church but rarely understand; that, and I happen to think that some things need definition, especially when it comes to the Revelation. And yes, I tend to get carried away with my writing and, therefore, have to cut my essay into segments.

I have noticed that Mr. Garcia has become a sought-after speaker in a brief time when it comes to Eschatology (The study of end-time events related to scripture.) Like Dr. Chuck Missler, he has an extensive military background, but I don’t buy everything he says. 

Having said all that, when I saw his eight quick points on how the end will come I immediately wanted to see what he had to say and to find out if what he was trying to convey was valid; the way I do that is to look at the passages he uses to define his points and see if they explain his point. 

For example, Number 1 is the Church age. I will tell you that most people, even the old-timers, which I have now become, cannot define what the church age is. Can I relate this age to say, the stone age, seeing as somehow, at least the stone age can be defined? Perhaps an answer to this is to simply start from the day the church, that believes in Jesus, began on the day of Pentecost when over 3000 people came to accept Jesus as their savior/Messiah. This event occurred over two thousand years ago and will continue until the church is snatched away from the turmoil that is coming.

The title of this post is: How the Bible states the end will come. The numbered points “1)” etc, is Pete’s.

  1. ) Church age (or our present-day) Philippians 1:10, Romans 11:25, Revelation chapters 2-3.

    We are starting with Revelation 2-3. While these passages are descriptions of the church, they, for the most part, were written to existing churches, most of whom were in the Asia Minor region. All of these continue to represent the church age as it progressed through the centuries. Today, we are a living representation of the Laodicean church; we have turned our backs on God.

              Philippians 1:9-10 NASB (9) And this I pray, that your love may abound still more and more in real knowledge and all discernment, (10) so that you may approve the things that are excellent, in order to be sincere and blameless until the day of Christ;

    While Philippians does not speak to a particular church associated with Revelation 2-3, the church of Philippi was one of the many churches started by Paul. It was also in Asia Minor, along with the seven churches. Again, these words speak to us as well. Note how Paul prayed that their love would abound, that they would operate in knowledge and discernment, and be sincere and blameless until the day of Christ.

    Although we loudly proclaim that Paul was the Apostle to the Gentiles, his evangelism toward the Gentiles, for at least 15 years, was only a consequence of his messages to the Jewish communities he tried to enlighten. An understanding of who Paul was talking to should cause us to understand what he is saying when he proclaims, “in order to be sincere and blameless until the day of Christ.” Most of these “converts” had a Jewish background, and one might assume that the day of Christ could have everything to do with Jesus coming back as the warring Messiah. 

If that had been the case, the terminology would have been stated “as the day of the Lord,” but it was not, so our understanding leans toward Jesus coming back to retrieve His church.

And finally, let’s try to consider why Mr. Garcia included Romans 11:25. 

Romans 11:25 NASB For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery–so that you will not be wise in your own estimation–that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;

This verse has everything to do with a hardening of the heart that causes them NOT to believe. Current day Jewish teachers in Israel forbid the reading of scriptures like Isaiah 53 and the prophecies of Daniel. Passages like these should be life-changing, but perhaps not because there is a hardening of the heart that prevents understanding. 

Note how Paul uses the word mystery. Most religious folk will tell you that the Bible is a mystery and that NO ONE can understand it or know. There is a problem if you try to use the word mystery as a weapon in your goal to keep the masses illiterate and uneducated. 

The word mystery is the Greek word mustērion  and means something previously hidden but now fully revealed. 

Eugene Peterson’s Message says it best.

“‘Go on about your business, Daniel,’ he said. ‘The message is confidential and under lock and key until the end until things are about to be wrapped up.
(
Daniel 12:9 MSG)

This may not shock you, but God is about to wrap this church thing up. With that being said, I do not see how reading about the seven churches can convince some that we are living in that age, especially since this age has lasted for over two thousand years. But then, there is that idea that God has unlocked the understanding for those who choose to understand.

2. ) Rapture of the Church (John 14:1-3; 1 Thessalonians 1:10, 4:13-18, 5:9; 1 Corinthians 15:51-56, Revelation 3:10

The first consideration is that there is NO direct reference to the phrase “the rapture of the church;” Yet, there are many examples of the church being caught up. The expression is derived from the Latin Vulgate, which uses the term rapio, which means to be snatched.

Revelation 12:5 speaks of the church, her child, being caught up unto God. In 1 Thessalonians 4:17, the Apostle Paul states that we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And finally, Philip in Acts 8:39 was caught up and moved a great distance to another place, Azotus – not that the site is essential. 

Here in Acts 8:39, the translators used the word snatched. Webster’s dictionary defines snatched as seized suddenly and violently.

Caught up or snatched is the Greek word harpazō, and it carries several implications such as: to seize, take away by force, snatch away, convey away suddenly, or transport hastily.

There are many willing to fight with you about this subject. Some believe that we, the church, are already in the time of tribulations. I think that if I could have a conversation with “believers” from Ukraine, they might agree. 

My point of view, and I believe my opinion stems from a competent comprehension of the scriptures and we will experience a catching away of the church prior to God’s wrath being poured out upon the world

John 14 does not use the term harpazo but bears the implication of our being gathered.

John 14:2-3 NASB “In My Father’s house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. (3) “If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.”

Why would He need to gather us, the church, back to Himself? 

Because there is wrath that is coming, that exceeds your imagination.

1 Thessalonians 1:10 NASB (10) and wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, that is Jesus, who rescues us from the wrath to come.

Paul wrote this letter to the church in Thessalonica to address worries and concerns about some being left behind. I give you a portion of Pete Garcia’s reference.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 NASB (16) For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. (17) Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.

1 Thessalonians 5:9 speaks of the church not being destined for wrath. Most call the time of wrath – the Great Tribulation.

Well, how would you expect to be delivered from this wrath?

Only through death or the catching away of the church. By the way, Jesus told us that tribulations would be a way of life for His followers.

1 Thessalonians 5:9-10 NASB (9) For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, (10) who died for us, so that whether we are awake or asleep, we will live together with Him.

1 Corinthians 15 communicates how these perishable bodies cannot inherit the kingdom of God

1 Corinthians 15:50 NASB (50) Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

There is a solution for that, to go through a change in which we obtain imperishable bodies.

Corinthians 15:51-52 NASB (51) Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, (52) in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.

So, when does that change occur, most likely when we are caught up or snatched into the clouds to be with Jesus. The last example the author uses is Revelation 3:10. 

Revelation 3:10 NASB ‘Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.

Though it does not speak expressly about catching away or snatching, the idea is there, and the presumption is that you would understand this by now.

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