The challenge from a reader:

Your note:

John, as you said, was a Jew and as a Jew he would never had said that Jesus was God, it is contrary to the Hebrew scriptures, the Torah and the Hebrew culture. Son of God does not have a divine connotation, in a Hebrew context, it means King of Israel, if you don’t believe me read Psalms 2 carefully. Jesus is the Son of God because He is the King of Israel, he was made King of Israel (Son of God) after his resurrection (Romans 1:4). Is Jesus the Son of God ? Absolutely! But not a divine being although he lives now forever (received immortality) to rule the House of David forever and ever as it was prophesied (Luke 1:32-33) On the other hand, I agree Islam is the Beast of the Book of Revelations. Just my opinion…”

 Response:

  1. I put your statement in quotes, but I feel the need to give my readers some clarity. The way you opened your diatribe makes it appear that I am of the persuasion that John would never have declared that Jesus was God. Obviously, as I read your note, you are trying to chastise for my thinking. Thank you for your concern, but one thing has become crystal clear in my mind, Jesus was and is God, and so is the Holy Spirit that lives in me. I am indwelt by God. That happened the day I accepted him into my life, and by the way, HE is never leaving me.

  2. Opinions are subject to challenge, always! In my writings I sometimes make it clear that I am stating an opinion. The reason I do that is because my traditional understanding may be wrong and I could not, at the time of writing, find solid evidence enabling me to state otherwise. Many people call bold, aggressive statements, delivered as fact conjecture (a statement delivered as truth but without factual basis). For me to state an opinion always subjects me to a backlash and I expect it, although it rarely happens. When the backlash or chastisement comes, it is always from religious zealots that prove their lack of discipline and understanding in reading scripture by the language and tone of their attack.

  3. The Disciple/Apostle John, the author of not only the Gospel of John, 1-3 rd John, and the Revelation of Jesus Christ, makes it very clear because of the message that he conveys that Jesus Christ was God. This is not some new doctrine I conjured up in my head. These are the words of the man that came to understand that Jesus was God. Do you not understand that John saw him in his glory, in heaven, and that is what he conveyed in writing the Revelation.

  4. It also occurs to me that you may be Jewish for you leaned rather heavily upon the Hebrew scriptures, the Torah, and Hebrew culture. While it is not my intent to insult my Jewish brothers, I am sure that much of what I say does. Jesus had the same problem, but not with all. Nicodemus, hiding from the others, came to Jesus by night, and stated “we know that you are a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that you do except God be with him.” After Jesus reply about having to be born again, “Jesus answered and said unto him, Are you a master of Israel, and know not these things? John 3:10 KJV Why on earth would Jesus ask him this if it were not possible to comprehend who and what he was from “the Hebrew scriptures, the Torah, and the Hebrew culture? When Joseph and Mary came to the temple on the eighth day, to have the baby Jesus circumcised, two approached them at different times: Simeon, a just and devout man, and Anna, the prophetess. Both of these, based upon the Tenach, the Torah, and Hebrew culture, knew and recognized the mâshı̂yach or messiah as some of us call him.

You demanded that I look at Psalm chapter 2. I assume that in your mind it would prove your statements, “Son of God does not have a divine connotation, in a Hebrew context, it means King of Israel

Here is Psalm 2. It is relatively short.

Psalms 2:1-12 NASB

(1) Why are the nations in an uproar And the peoples devising a vain thing?

  1. The kings of the earth take their stand And the rulers take counsel together Against the LORD and against His Anointed, saying,

    Response: Verse 2 is the first thing in this chapter that catches my attention. The word makes me think of what Samuel did to David when he anointed him to be king; perhaps that is where your mind is at. Anointed, the Hebrew word mâshı̂yach, and means 1) anointed, anointed one 1a) of the Messiah, Messianic prince. (BDB) This was the declaration made of Jesus the day he rode in to town on the donkey.

    Psalms 2:4 CJB (4) He who sits in heaven laughs; Adonai looks at them in derision. Are we required to refer to God by Adonai? I think not. I doubt many would even understand who that is. They tend to understand Lord if given the context.

(3) “Let us tear their fetters apart And cast away their cords from us!”

(4) He who sits in the heavens laughs, The Lord scoffs at them.

(5) Then He will speak to them in His anger And terrify them in His fury, saying,

  1. “But as for Me, I have installed My King Upon Zion, My holy mountain.”

    Response: Maintaining the context we come to verse 6. Yea, I have set My king on My holy mount on Zion. (Psalms 2:6 LITV) Certainly David is not making this statement about himself. He could be referring to God setting David (himself) upon the holy mountain. Zion refers to Jerusalem. God declares it holy and also speaks of a new Jerusalem that comes down from heaven.

    The IVP Bible Background Commentary: Old Testament tells us: “The term to anoint or install has been found as a Ugaritic root in a mythological text. The office of king was a divine appointment in ancient Israel and other areas of the Near East. Sargon of Akkad (c. 2300 B.C.) claims to have been installed by Ishtar, while the Sumerian King List (compiled sometime after 2000 B.C.) claims that towns received their monarchs by divine appointment. This ideology continued into the Israelite period.

    I would not attempt to argue that what Samuel did was merely a mythological tradition. I firmly believe that Samuel heard Adonai’s voice and responded to it. It was a divine appointment function. But ask yourself, seeing as David was anointed king that day, why nothing seemed to change, nor was he placed upon the throne. There is an obvious answer, one not so dissimilar to why a man that is not divorced does not merely marry another, for a hostile king already sits on the throne and he is not giving up his position so easily.

  1. “I will surely tell of the decree of the LORD: He said to Me, ‘You are My Son, Today I have begotten You.

    Response: It is recorded in the book of Acts, chapter 13:33-34 NASB that God has fulfilled this promise to our children in that He raised up Jesus, as it is also written in the second Psalm, ‘YOU ARE MY SON; TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU.’ (34) “As for the fact that He raised Him up from the dead, no longer to return to decay, He has spoken in this way: ‘I WILL GIVE YOU THE HOLY and SURE blessings OF DAVID.’

    John MacArthur’s bible commentary states: “This expresses the privileges of relationship, with its prophetic application to the Son-Messiah. This verse is quoted in the NT with reference to the birth of Jesus (Heb_1:5-6) and also to His resurrection (Act_13:33-34) as the earthly affirmations.”

(8) ‘Ask of Me, and I will surely give the nations as Your inheritance, And the very ends of the earth as Your possession.

(9) ‘You shall break them with a rod of iron, You shall shatter them like earthenware.'”

(10) Now therefore, O kings, show discernment; Take warning, O judges of the earth.

  1. Worship the LORD with reverence And rejoice with trembling.

  2. Do homage to the Son, that He not become angry, and you perish in the way, For His wrath may soon be kindled. How blessed are all who take refuge in Him!

Sorry dude; reading the second Psalm did not change my thinking.

John recorded many of Jesus Christ’s encounters with Pharisees in his gospel, and they said the same thing (you are not God and we know where you live), even worse. Although the Jewish leadership chose to reject Jesus, they heard what he said and still denied that he could be the Son Of God. Merely being the Son meant that you carried the family traits and heritage. Jesus claims therefore were blasphemous to them and worthy of death.

John 6:38-42 NASB“For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.(39)“This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.(40)For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.”(41) Therefore the Jews were grumbling about Him, because He said, “I am the bread that came down out of heaven.(42) They were saying, “Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does He now say, ‘I have come down out of heaven’?”

(John 7:19 NASB) “Did not Moses give you the Law, and yet none of you carries out the Law?Why do you seek to kill Me?”

John opened his gospel with definitive statements about Jesus being, not only God, but the creative force in the universe.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

(John 1:1-5 NASB)

You said, “Jesus is the Son of God because He is the King of Israel”

How does that work? You only become the Son if you perform? He was God before the foundations of the world, so your argument does not hold water.

Psalms 2:6 NASB “But as for Me, I have installed My King Upon Zion, My holy mountain.”

We have a repeat of the declaration in Hebrews.

Hebrews 1:4-5 NASB having become as much better than the angels, as He has inherited a more excellent name than they. (5) For to which of the angels did He ever say, “YOU ARE MY SON, TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU”? And again, “I WILL BE A FATHER TO HIM AND HE SHALL BE A SON TO ME”?

I read these passages and do not find any direct correlation to the “doctrines” you wish to convey. Without a scriptural backing you are merely espousing some tradition you have been taught and should not be interpreted by anyone as truth. Truth is only found in God and his word. That Word is Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

You said, “Is Jesus the Son of God ? Absolutely! But not a divine being” Although you may agree with me on one point, the identity of the beast, this last statement alone leaves you suspect. Not divine? Really! To say that he is not divine, is to deny his very existence and reason for coming to this earth. True, he voluntarily chose to be a man and shed his divinity, but this is precisely what the writer of Hebrews is talking about in chapter one, all rights as the Son were restored after the resurrection. I suppose this becomes a problem if you are a devout, religious Jew.

Jesus was in a sense only starting his ministry when he was baptized by John the Baptist and had done very little, that we are aware of, to earn any position of recognition.

Matthew 3:16-17 NASB After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him, (17) and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased.”

If I am to look at this from a performance orientation he apparently did what he was told, but it seems that the book of Hebrews tells us that he inherited his throne through his death and resurrection, and yet there it is, the recognition of his Son-ship, indicating that he had entitlement.

Divine – DIVINE, a. [L., a god.] – Pertaining to the true God; as the divine nature; divine perfections. Partaking of the nature of God. Proceeding from God.

This is the same thing the pharisees did and they are to be judged for their response.

John 7:16-18 NASB So Jesus answered them and said, “My teaching is not Mine, but His who sent Me.(17)“If anyone is willing to do His will, he will know of the teaching, whether it is of God or whether I speak from Myself.(18)“He who speaks from himself seeks his own glory; but He who is seeking the glory of the One who sent Him, He is true, and there is no unrighteousness in Him.

Over and over he told them, just as he tells you and anyone else that will listen to him. Jesus Christ is God. There is only one way to the Father and that is through the Son.

If you have not received this Jesus Christ into your life I suggest that you do it now. You do not know what tomorrow holds, and anyone of wisdom can look at the signs around us and understand that we are in the last days. He is coming again for his church, his bride, and we will meet him in the air. This is the hope that scripture speaks of.

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